Water drain system on 82 FC 35

[pattypape]

Yikes,

I just love the tire debate and the winterization debate.
Usually the Pink Stuff debate waits until Fall.

I am paranoid about pipes freezing, So, I spend lots of time once
per year to winterize, I never want to repair old, non-standard
copper. I use 3 to 5 gallon. Hand pump into the city water hook-
up. Use the fresh water pump, until pink runs at all outlets, hand
pump backwards into the faucets to purge the hot lines, I also try
to place the mixing valves in the center, and block the faucet
outlets, This "MAY" help the antifreeze/air pressure to back flow
the hot lines. And Yes, there are other concerns such as Insta Hot,
ice maker, and more. BLow, Blow, BLow with 40 psi, it is amazing how
much water the system holds.

I also add 235 gallons of diesel to winterize the fuel tank.
Michigan is well below freezing in winter.
I need all the inputs and everyone ideas, then one must
decide what is relative to our own situation.


Bill 88 FC Randy does not understand the freeze topic.



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> Luck has squat to do with it
> you dont have to fill the hot water tank to freeze protect the
system
> In the same vein do you have to completely fill the fresh water
tank
> with anti freeze to protect it?
> the answer is no
> The system is a demand type system it uses the available liquid to
> flush the system no liquid no pressure it is not necessary to fill
the
> hot water tank with anti freeze to protect the system.
> It is a waste of money but if you want to use that much anti
freeze be
> my guest
> If the system is drained and replaced with anti freeze It is simply
> not necessary to use a "minimum of 12 gallons" to protect your
system
> Iam sure you could always ask a rv tech to show you economical and
> proper to freeze protect your water system
> They will be more than happy to sell you 12 gallons of antifreeze
when
> 3-4 will adequately do the job
> Stephen 77fc35
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> >
> > Simply without a bypass for the hotwater heater there is no way
you
> > can get antifreeze into the hot water lines without pressurizing
> > (filling it with pink stuff first) the hot water tank. Look at
the BB
> > drawing for your fresh water system and you will see why. You
have
> > been lucky so far. I have used the air system to blow out my
FC35
> > every year but have always been nervous doing it. I want to make
> > absolutely sure that it is protected.
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > 2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >we winterize our coach with 3-4 gallons of antifreeze
> > >there is a pickup installed on the supply side of fresh water
pump
> > >avaialble at camping supply store about 10 bucks
> > >drain and blow out water system
> > >inject antifreeze with fresh water pump going to each faucet
and the
> > >toilet individually and opening faucet or treadle till
antifreeze
> appears
> > >isolate ice maker and drain
> > >you dont want antifreeze in ice maker
> > >if the fresh water tank is drained I have not found it
necessaary to
> > >to put antifreeze in tank, Drain hot water tank and if you have
a
> > >bypass use it
> > >We used to use the city water connection but it is easier to
use to
> > >antifreeze pickup on the pump
> > >have not had any problems in 8 years with freeze problems in
Niagara
> > >Falls.
> > >I certainly dont think you need 12 gallons of anti freeze
> > >Also Use Prestone rv antifreeze if you can find it does not
impart the
> > >nasty aftertaste as the cheap pink stuff
> > >Antifreeze is Freeze proctection not fluid replacement
> > >
> > >Stephen
> > >
> > >--- In
> >
> > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
>
> > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you go thru the city water connection with antifreeze
everything
> > > > is NOT protected unless you do the following and even then
its going
> > > > to take a lot of antifreeze unless you bypass the hot water
heater.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Activate the sporlan valve so the antifreeze will go into
the
> > > > fresh water tank first, then after a few gallons the water
pump can
> > > > pick it up and force it to the fixtures so when you turn on
each
> > > > individual faucet, toilet fixture etc the line will be
purged and
> > > > antifreeze will be added to that line. When you open a hot
water
> > > > faucet the antifreeze will go into the hotwater tank first
until it
> > > > is filled and then will go to each hot water line until
antifreeze
> > > > comes out of that fixture when you open it. That is why you
need a
> > > > bypass. If not you must pump approximately 12 gallons of
antifreeze
> > > > into the system before you will get any distributed thru the
hot
> > > > water pipes to the kitchen sink, bath sink and shower. Hmmmm.
> > > > 2. Purge the water from the instant hot and then pump
antifreeze
> > >into it.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Pour a cup or so of antifreeze into each water trap in
the sinks,
> > > > and shower.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Purge the water in the ice maker if you have one and then
pump
> > > > antifreeze into it.
> > > >
> > > > Pray.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 02:55 PM 6/14/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Yes,
> > > > >If you go thru the city water hook-up, I think everything is
> > > > >protected. Rig an air compressor fitting to the city hook-
up.
> > > > >I do not exceed 40 psi, Then rig up a pump line into the
same city
> > > > >water hook-up, all fittings available at HomeDepot/
Hardware Store,
> > > > >Etc. The drain was accessable for the HWT, your 82 may be
> > > > >different.
> > > > >Drilled a hole into the floor, I think it was plywood then
a steel
> > > > >sheeting, On our 88 Fc, if you keep drilling you are into
the fuel
> > > > >Tank, Go carefully and slow with the drill bits.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In
> > > >
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > %40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >
> > > > >"davidkerryedwards"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the idea of a drain on the hw heater. Where is the
> petcock
> > > > >for
> > > > > > that drain, I can't see one on mine.
> > > > > > I was thinking of some kind of overkill system like you
use. How
> > > > >do
> > > > > > you pump in the antifreeze thru the city pressure hookup?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > >
> >
> > 40yahoogroups.com> 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >
> > > > > "pattypape"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kerry,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On our 88 FC, there was no HWT bypass nor a HWT drain.
> > > > > > > All water in the pipes are drained by the internal air
> pressure
> > > > > > > system, the fresk tank drain and the outside faucet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not trusting this method, I drilled a hole in the
floor to
> drain
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > HWT thru the drain cockpet. I now use the BB air
system to
> blow
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > pipes out, then use a shop compressor to blow-blow-
blow more
> > > > >water
> > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > Then pump in the pink the stuff, thru the city water
> hookup into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > plumbing and fresh tank. Run the pump, look for pink
stuff at
> > > > >each
> > > > > > > faucet, toilet etc, Then, I blow it out again. I feel
this
> is a
> > > > >bit
> > > > > > > overkill, But inline with the entire Wanderlodge
Overkill.
> > > > > > > We get really hard freezes and the time spent is
worthwhile.
> > > > > > > No fresh water is added until we head South for Winter.
> > > > > > > Frozen pipes are always a worry, but this has worked
for us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill 88 FC Michigan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > >
> >
> > 40yahoogroups.com> 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >
> > > > > "davidkerryedwards"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Having just repaired freeze breaks in my plumbing I'd
> like to
> > > > >get a
> > > > > > > > conceptual grasp of how the drain system works for
the
> > > > >plumbing. I
> > > > > > > > know there's a manual drain under the vanity and an
external
> > > > > > > faucet
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the propane compartment. I also see three cable
operated
> > > > >valves
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > the hw heater and tank in the back but I don't
> understand how
> > > > >they
> > > > > > > > work. How do the hot water heater and water tank
drain and
> > > > >does
> > > > > > > > anyone have an easy way of retrofitting a system
which gets
> > > > > > > antifreeze
> > > > > > > > into the system? Since there are no bypass fittings
on the
> > > > >water
> > > > > > > > heater it seems virtually impossible to get
antifreeze
> in the
> > > > >hot
> > > > > > > > water pipes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kerry
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