Generator Won't Start?

[one_dusty_hoot]

Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
long ways from the coach?
Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
the computer?
Ah heck!...Just funning you.
Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.

Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!

Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
chamber.

This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
causing a greater load on the starter.

In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?

1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
till it starts running.
3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
own after being started.

What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
as long as we both understand the communication.

Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
attempts?
Bob

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Mike,
> So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> of meat on the platter.
>
> Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
>
> Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> operate a regulator. No output control?
>
> This is a diesel motor, right?
> You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
>
> You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> at either on of the glow plugs.
>
> Got voltage? Good!
> No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> Fuel at the injector pump?
> Good!
> Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> If the starter spins fast,and
> There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> The engine still won't start
> There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
>
> Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> from you.
> Bob
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned
the
> > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
switch
> > (which is to the ground)
> > It sat a week and then would not start.
> >
> > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but I
> will
> > check to see if one is stuck
> >
> > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is ok
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > >
> > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > >
> > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > to stop?
> > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > center.
> > >
> > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > right.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > >
> > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
<mbulriss@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling
> the
> > > fuel
> > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> > fuel.
> > > > Have
> > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the
> > output
> > > > side
> > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to
> > make
> > > > sure
> > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on
a
> > > older
> > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump.
Spent
> > > hours
> > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> > > > pressure
> > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> > > solenoid
> > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the
> fuel
> > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
don't
> > see
> > > > a
> > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
> > inside
> > > > the
> > > > > > box....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > start
> > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
> > turns
> > > > over
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > solenoid
> > > > lever
> > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates
the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> > pulling
> > > > in.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and
> see
> > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this
> for
> > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of
a
> > > diesel
> > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
> > could
> > > > push it
> > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > > > coolant
> > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
being
> > > > said,
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
think
> > we
> > > > need
> > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> engine
> > to
> > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing.
I
> > > > suggest
> > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> > > tested.
> > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
> > time
> > > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > > alternator
> > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > necessary
> > > > for the
> > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
sitting
> > > (lack
> > > > of
> > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
alternator.
> > The
> > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with
a
> > > > Newage
> > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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