Generator Won't Start?

[Mike Meister]

513-382-9979


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Mike,
> You gotta a cell phone?
> I am 'bout the bottom of my tech support bucket, but
> who knows?, may be a scrap left?
> ate,sicks,fore-for,three,oh!-one,too,zero,1
> Got it?. call me,Bob
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
> > long ways from the coach?
> > Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
> > the computer?
> > Ah heck!...Just funning you.
> > Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.
> >
> > Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!
> >
> > Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
> > if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
> > chamber.
> >
> > This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
> > getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
> > Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
> > causing a greater load on the starter.
> >
> > In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
> > turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?
> >
> > 1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
> > 2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
> > till it starts running.
> > 3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
> > own after being started.
> >
> > What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
> > as long as we both understand the communication.
> >
> > Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
> > attempts?
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> > > newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> > > of meat on the platter.
> > >
> > > Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
> > >
> > > Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> > > the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> > > operate a regulator. No output control?
> > >
> > > This is a diesel motor, right?
> > > You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> > > Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
> > >
> > > You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> > > Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> > > at either on of the glow plugs.
> > >
> > > Got voltage? Good!
> > > No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> > > Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> > > Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> > > Fuel at the injector pump?
> > > Good!
> > > Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> > > in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> > > If the starter spins fast,and
> > > There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> > > There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> > > There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> > > The engine still won't start
> > > There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> > > is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> > > the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> > > if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> > > or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
> > >
> > > Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> > > from you.
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have
turned
> > the
> > > > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
> > switch
> > > > (which is to the ground)
> > > > It sat a week and then would not start.
> > > >
> > > > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box
but I
> > > will
> > > > check to see if one is stuck
> > > >
> > > > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced
it
> > > > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it
is
> ok
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > > > to stop?
> > > > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > > > center.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > > > right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it
> actually
> > > > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> > <mbulriss@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually
> pulling
> > > the
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are
getting
> > > > fuel.
> > > > > > Have
> > > > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at
> the
> > > > output
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line
fittings
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a
leak
> on
> > a
> > > > > older
> > > > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector
pump.
> > Spent
> > > > > hours
> > > > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the
> fuel
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the
fuel
> > > > > solenoid
> > > > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear
the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button?
I
> > don't
> > > > see
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is
good
> > > > inside
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > box....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start".
Does
> it
> > > > try
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the
> engine
> > > > turns
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the
fuel
> > > > solenoid
> > > > > > lever
> > > > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that
eliminates
> > the
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid
is
> > > > pulling
> > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box
> and
> > > see
> > > > if
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know
> this
> > > for
> > > > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the
crankshaft
> of
> > a
> > > > > diesel
> > > > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power
and
> > > > could
> > > > > > push it
> > > > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run
until
> the
> > > > > > coolant
> > > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up.
That
> > being
> > > > > > said,
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem.
I
> > think
> > > > we
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component
> voltage
> > > > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the
gen.
> > > engine
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are
> experiencing.
> > I
> > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen.
> set
> > > > > tested.
> > > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The
> next
> > > > time
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace
the
> > > > > > alternator
> > > > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > > > necessary
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
> > sitting
> > > > > (lack
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
> > alternator.
> > > > The
> > > > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced
> with
> > a
> > > > > > Newage
> > > > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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