Generator Won't Start?

[Mike Meister]

turns over the same as is always has

#2

Mike

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
> long ways from the coach?
> Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
> the computer?
> Ah heck!...Just funning you.
> Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.
>
> Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!
>
> Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
> if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
> chamber.
>
> This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
> getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
> Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
> causing a greater load on the starter.
>
> In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
> turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?
>
> 1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
> 2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
> till it starts running.
> 3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
> own after being started.
>
> What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
> as long as we both understand the communication.
>
> Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
> attempts?
> Bob
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> > newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> > of meat on the platter.
> >
> > Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
> >
> > Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> > the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> > operate a regulator. No output control?
> >
> > This is a diesel motor, right?
> > You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> > Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
> >
> > You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> > Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> > at either on of the glow plugs.
> >
> > Got voltage? Good!
> > No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> > Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> > Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> > Fuel at the injector pump?
> > Good!
> > Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> > in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> > If the starter spins fast,and
> > There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> > There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> > There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> > The engine still won't start
> > There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> > is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> > the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> > if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> > or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
> >
> > Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> > from you.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned
> the
> > > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
> switch
> > > (which is to the ground)
> > > It sat a week and then would not start.
> > >
> > > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but
I
> > will
> > > check to see if one is stuck
> > >
> > > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> > > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is
ok
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > > >
> > > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > > >
> > > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > > to stop?
> > > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > > center.
> > > >
> > > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it
actually
> > > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> <mbulriss@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually
pulling
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> > > fuel.
> > > > > Have
> > > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at
the
> > > output
> > > > > side
> > > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings
to
> > > make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak
on
> a
> > > > older
> > > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump.
> Spent
> > > > hours
> > > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the
fuel
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the
fuel
> > > > solenoid
> > > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear
the
> > fuel
> > > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
> don't
> > > see
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is
good
> > > inside
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > box....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does
it
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the
engine
> > > turns
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > > solenoid
> > > > > lever
> > > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that
eliminates
> the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> > > pulling
> > > > > in.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box
and
> > see
> > > if
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know
this
> > for
> > > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft
of
> a
> > > > diesel
> > > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power
and
> > > could
> > > > > push it
> > > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until
the
> > > > > coolant
> > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
> being
> > > > > said,
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
> think
> > > we
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component
voltage
> > > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> > engine
> > > to
> > > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are
experiencing.
> I
> > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen.
set
> > > > tested.
> > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The
next
> > > time
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace
the
> > > > > alternator
> > > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > > necessary
> > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
> sitting
> > > > (lack
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
> alternator.
> > > The
> > > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced
with
> a
> > > > > Newage
> > > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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