Overheating 3208 in a 90SP36

[Tom Warner]

Eric I was just getting ready to add the cooler
when I decided to sell the FC and buy a PT and
start all over again going thru every system to
make sure it was working satisfactorly. You can
order the transmission cooler with a electric fan
and thermostat that makes it easy to add almost
anyplace there is room. Remember you not only
want to keep the temps down on your tranny but
want it at about 160 degrees for best service and
wear. I would not place the tranny cooler near
the radiator since that is where you want the
most cooling and thus uninterrupted air flow. ON
the site that I referenced you can buy many heavy
duty coolers and then either buy it with the fan
or add the toronado fan separately.

My previous FC35 Cat ran flawlessly with a Horton
fan and reworked swing radiator. It ran 190
degrees all of the time unless you really got
into some big hills and then it would cycle
between 190 and 205 until the extra load was off.
That is the way it was designed to run.

Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1985 PT 40

At 09:06 AM 8/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Tom,
>I like the idea of a separate tranmission cooler
>as a way to remove heat load from the main
>radiator but where would you mount it? Would
>you mount it in front or behind the main
>radiator or somewhere else? It's got to get a
>good flow of air to do the job. Have you
>installed one on your FC?
>Regards, Eric
>84FC35SBWL2
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > Right Eric there sure are more ways to skin a cat
> > . I would strongly recommend an
> > evaluation of the cooling system on every coach
> > before you start adding misters. It is the first
> > thing I do. Take off the radiator cap and look
> > down into the radiator core and see if it is
> > clean or has scale. If its not clean remove it
> > and let a reputable radiator shop either clean it
> > or recore it. Check the thermostats and ensure
> > they are opening at the correct temperature. I
> > replaced them both, one was originally installed
> > backwards. My 3208 Cat had 190 degree stats which
> > were recommended for this system. .
> >
> > I would not use the water spray on any coach that
> > I owned to combat over heating of the engine or
> > transmission, UNLESS getting everything up to
> > snuff did not correct the overheating
> > problem. Hayden makes water misters too if you
> > really need them.http://www.haydenauto.com/assets/RapidCoolFlyerlg.jpg
> >
> > Anyone towing should have a transmission cooler
> > separate from the engine radiator,. The addition
> > of the transmission cooler to the radiator is the
> > number one culprit of overheating when towing.
> > The addition of the transmission cooler will have
> > an additional advantage of eliminating the long
> > transmission cooler lines to the radiator making
> > the swing radiator easier to use. Hayden makes
> > them specifically for the Allison transmissions
> > and recommends them highly. http://tinyurl.com/fkp3u
> >
> > In addition I would use an additive called "water
> > wetter"
> > http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/redtech3.htm ,
> > added to the 50% mixture of antifreeze it will
> > drop your temperatures approx 20-30 degrees.
> >
> > Just a couple of ideas that work.
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:31 PM 8/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >Hello Mike,
> > >I understand that radiator spray systems are
> > >nothing new. I've been aware of them for a
> > >number of years. Glad to hear you use one
> and that it gives you good results.
> > >
> > >I respect the fact that you have a lot of
> > >experience, however you are not the only person
> > >that has some knowledge to share on our
> > >website. None of us has the corner on
> > >everything there is to know about these
> > >coaches. Your experience and knowledge are
> > >valuable to all of us but some of what you think you know may be wrong.
> > >
> > >I hope all of us can continue to share the best
> > >of what we know but also be willing to listen
> > >to the views of others without being critical or abusive.
> > >
> > >I wish you many happy Blue Bird miles.
> > >Regards, Eric
> > >84FC35SBWL2
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein" <MHOHNSTEIN@>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yo, Johnson, it's NOT an IDEA. It's on my
> > > vehicle and it actually works, per my oil pan
> > >temp gage and my water temp gage. Nothing new
> > >about, just because it seems to be
> > >unfamilar to you. Just returned from a 4000
> > >mile trip to Idaho and am going back next
> > >month so I get on down the road too. As far as
> > >temperature limits, that's experience, I've
> > >got a lot of it and it's OK if you want to
> > >ignore it my advice, it's your engine.
> > > > MH
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Eric Johnson
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:40 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Overheating 3208 in a 90SP36
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Again Chuck,
> > > > Mike's idea about a spray bar will improve
> > > cooling capacity on a hot, dry, day, but not
> > >sure
> > > > where he gets the max numbers on coolant
> > > and oil. Important to remember the
> > > > thermostat doesn't fully open until 185ºF.
> > > Radiator cap pressure rating of 7 psig,
> > >altitude
> > > > and coolant composition set how hot you can
> > > run the radiator before you boil over.
> > > > Engine oil can safely operate at sustained
> > > temperatures of 220-240ºF and for shorter
> > > > periods as high as 300ºF with no problems given normal oil changes.
> > > > Regards, Eric
> > > > 84FC35SBWL2
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Johnson" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Chuck,
> > > > > My 3208 is in the front rather than the
> > > back but your experiences were much like
> > >mine
> > > > > while climbing mountain passes in
> > > Colorado. Not sure you can expect any lower
> > > > > temperatures than what you're getting in
> > > hot summer weather. I found on my coach
> > > > that
> > > > > it helps some to gear down as your speed
> > > drops off to keep RPM's up so the fan
> > >cools
> > > > > better and the engine load is reduced.
> > > > > Regards, Eric
> > > > > 84FC35SBWL2
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just came back from a long trip and
> noticed that at every extended
> > > > > > grade climb the temp gauge would start climbing toward 220.
> > > > > > It never reached 220 but the level increase alarms me. I have
> > > > > > cleaned the radiator and put new
> belts on all around. The oil temp
> > > > > > also climbs to about 230 (though I
> don't know what the danger level
> > > > > > is). The thermostat was replaced before my first trip this year
> > > > > > and I had no similar problems, but then
> > > the temperature was in the 70's
> > > > > > and on the last trip it was in the 90's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck Harrison
> > > > > > Akron, Ohio
> > > > > > 90SP36
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