very On-Topic: the question of the archives

[Jo-Ski]

I just read the announcement about the thousands of archives and posts being
lost to Ernie's new free Wanderlodge forum and accessible only via Bruce's new
pay/profit forum. I am not trying to start another long "OT" thread or a "range
war," but this concerns the very heart of the the "on-topic" discussions of this
forum--its rich store of technical archives.

Ernie, I realize that on this subject, you wrote me the following some days ago:
"What I had in mind was that instead of sending someone packing when they ask a
question- to go look it up- to have folks get back to the old way we did stuff--
we all jumped in and answered them."

I really respect what you're saying, Ernie, and that's the way your new forum is
wonderfully operating, but I am also thinking about all the valuable,
multi-page, mini-technical treatises that the expert contributers have submitted
over the past 4 years--many in answer to what seemed like simple questions, but
turned out to be a lot more involved. Please see Jeff Miller's elegant
statements on this below.

I would strongly urge anyone considering joining the pay/profit Wanderlodge site
to withhold your minimum $20 dues until the question of the old Yahoo archives
is settled fairly. Those archives should be the property of both Bruce's new
pay/profit forum and Ernie's new free forum for the following eloquent reasons,
as explained by Jeff Miller:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Miller" <synrgdsl@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:26 PM
Subject: [Wanderlodge] Archives and permissions

> I know very little about copyright law, it shares real-estate with
> the patent office but I somehow never had much interest in that area
> of law. It does seem to me from what little I have read however that
> postings and submissions to this website remain the property of the
> author, and any use of such would require permission of the
> author/owner. This is apparently also an area that is currently
> developing in case law, ... However if these submissions were
> harvested and their access limited, this would not fit the intended
> purpose of these submissions. If free access remains, I don't see
> where anyone would raise a legal issue.
>
> In any event, it seems that since I and many others have spent
> hundreds (thousands, but don't tell my wife) of hours reading,
> researching, and submitting to this forum with the purpose of helping
> other BlueBird Wanderlodge owners freely, and in good faith, that
> this information would remain the property of its authors and the
> collective membership which has created it. This would in my opinion
> mean that Bruce and Ernie will likely both have complete access to
> the archives and past postings in our behalf.
Again, I ask anyone considering paying the dues for the pay/profit forum to
withhold your dues until this is guaranteed settled fairly and confirmed to us
by the leadership of Ernie's free forum.

Jo-Ski
"The Bird Abides"
'83-FC 35 RB
Blaine, WA
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> >
> >http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wanderlodge/ is being closed by
> >the "offical yahoo site owner", and turned into a pay required
site,
> >on a automatic link redirect of the previous main link of
> >http://www.wanderlodge.org . All the thousands of previous
> >contributer/member posts, files, and links will be lost from the
yahoo
> >free site, onto to the new pay/profit site.
> >
> >Several new free sites on yahoo have been opened to counteract this
> >seizure of posts and links. A search on "wanderlodge" will locate
the
> >new free sites for Wanderlodge owners and potential owners.

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