Engine & Tranny problems 2

[ronmarabito2002]

Thanks Bob for both messages.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
Currently in Moab, Utah till the 6th of May

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bloomas" wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:08 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> Ron I also replace the radiator core in 04/02 it
> made a big difference.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
>
> If the alarmstat doesn't solve or help the problem, I'll be definitely
> looking at checking the radiator. Pretty majoy job however.
>
> I would be more inclined to replace the core than rod it. I don't
> want to take a chance that the transmission cooling core could leak
> into the engine coolant. Just as soon have it all new.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> Currently in Monticello, UT and moving to Moab today.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if humid air is a better heat sink then cool air?? Here in
> > California it is a common maintenance practice to pull and rod a
> > radiator. The Radiator size and dynamics are set up to maintain a
> > given range of temp. Too big a radiator, too cool a running temp is
> > also not desired. If your rad is blocked in core or compramized on
> > surface 20 or 30% I would think it could prove the 10% heat
issue you
> > have.???? I think pulling the radiator for rodding and inspection
> > would never be a $waste even if it does not prove to be the
cause of
> > your heat issue
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Basically the same as mine. I may stop in Albuquerque on the way
> > back
> > > home and pick up another alarmstat and try that. It does work, but
> > > allows the temp to get to 200 before it kicks in. It then takes me
> > > back to roughly 180 degrees and goes through the cycle again.
> > > However, when pulling a grade, it allows the water temp to get to
> > 210
> > > and I don't like that.
> > >
> > > Your test is on pretty flat ground compared to what we are in
> > > presently. Like I said, the oil temp reached 250 coming west
out of
> > > Durango, CO yesterday and it is not hot outside. Pretty good grade
> > > but still not marked in the Western Mountain Directory.
> > >
> > > Another thought is that I could be experiencing more blow-by and
> > thus
> > > heating the oil more although that would probably cause me to
blow
> > oil
> > > out the slobber tubes, which it does not.
> > >
> > > Transmission temps are just fine. Could be that I have a bad oil
> > > temp. gauge or sending unit.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and 7000 ft. elevation.
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That oil temperature is the absolute maximum allowable
according
> > to
> > > my literature. My oil temperature routinely ran 235-240 on the
flat
> > > until I made a single change. While I haven't been able to pull a
> > > grade of any consequence I have seen temperature reductions
across
> > the
> > > board on the analog gauges.
> > > >
> > > > My set up is this: The radiator. In front of that is an a/c
> > > condenser and the oil cooler for the power steering and the
> > hydraulic
> > > fan itself. The coolers cover a major part of the radiator cooling
> > > surface. Water from the radiator is dispersed to the tranny,
> > retarder
> > > and engine oil cooler heat exchangers through a manifold to
cool the
> > > units. As water temp increases so does the temperature of those
> > units.
> > > >
> > > > Earlier model BB's with the a/c condenser on the roof have the
> > > benefit of cooler air ( road surface temperature, and that can be
> > very
> > > hot) passing over the radiator(ie.ours cools the condenser first
> > and
> > > then cools the radiator with the same road surface air.) That
> > > indicates the air going through our radiator is proportionately
> > > hotter than on earlier models. You can cut off the chassis a/c or
> > > increase the air flow which you are doing with the fan
override. In
> > > theory, once water temperatures reach 195 degrees the Alarmstat
> > should
> > > place the fan in high mode and keep it on until temperatures back
> > off
> > > to about 187 degrees at which time the fan goes to idle mode.
If it
> > > never gets to 187 the fan should continue running full force and
> > yield
> > > the same results as the fan override.
> > > >
> > > > I'll post my temperatures Tuesday after our run to Talladega.
> > They
> > > will be actual realtime temps taken off the VMSpc from the
DDEC as
> > it
> > > is receiving them. I have been jacking around with my system
> > through
> > > the winter and am interested to see the results.
> > > >
> > > > Your cooling issue could be the Alarmstat or a combination
of that
> > > and the radiator. I am currently working on the plumbing for my
> > > radiator water flood system just in case I need it. MH gave me
that
> > > idea. If I lived in the Mountain West I for sure would have a
> > > waterflood system to pull the mountains.
> > > >
> > > > I'm using a 190 degree Alarmstat now.
> > > >
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've been suspicious that that could be the problem also, but
> > with the
> > > > fan on manual, the water temp is just fine and only gets to
> > about 195
> > > > when pulling a real good grade. The oil temp is more of a
> > concern
> > > > though and could be related to part of the radiator not cooling
> > and
> > > > can't handle the build-up. On a good grade, the oil temp is
> > reaching
> > > > around 250 degrees. Of course, we don't know how good the analog
> > > > guage is either.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > Currently in Monticello, Utah.
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm happy to hear you are back rolling along. Did you pick up
> > a bad
> > > > load of fuel?
> > > > > Running a little warm. It sounds like you were not using the
> > > > chassis air. When you get ready and before pulling the radiator
> > I'll
> > > > tell you what I did on my coach. I imagine the systems are
> > similar.
> > > > I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and will chart temperatures
> > taken from
> > > > the DDL through VMSpc and report them Tuesday.
> > > > > I had been running a little warm and the problem turned out
> > to be
> > > > the Alarmstat not working correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > > 1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > > Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: ronmarabito2002
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine & Tranny problems 2
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Dan for posting the update.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got the coach back on the road yesterday a few dollars
> > poorer, but
> > > > > not as bad as I thought it might be.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clogged fuel filter was the primary power problem. They
> > finally
> > > > > decided that unless they could duplicate the electrical
> > > anomolly, they
> > > > > were unable to diagnose the cause. They couldn't duplicate the
> > > tranny
> > > > > light flashing when turning left. First left turn I made after
> > > > > departing the shop, Bingo, the flashing light. They said to
> > ignore
> > > > > the ECM Fault Code for now as everything seems to be running
> > just
> > > > fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am running a little warm and have put the fan in override
> > mode to
> > > > > make sure I keep temps under control. I've just about decided
> > that I
> > > > > have a radiator core replacement in the near future. With two
> > other
> > > > > cooling units in front of the radiator, it is very difficult
> > to get
> > > > > infra red temps around the radiator.
> > > > >
> > > > > The two house batteries that tested bad have been eliminated
> > > from the
> > > > > bank, so I now have the use of the other (6).
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, I never got the tranny light when turning hard left.
> > > We'll see
> > > > > how long that lasts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then also today moving north on Hiway 491 towards Shiprock,
> > in the
> > > > > four corners area, a gravel truck passed me going the other
> > way
> > > and I
> > > > > got 11 hits on the windshield. The driver side will
> > definitely have
> > > > > to be replaced.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is beginning to be the trip from Hell. Hope things
> > settle down.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > Currently in Monticello, Utah and planning to play golf
> > tomorrow.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L.
> > Fullenwider"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the update Dan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Safe travels,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > > > > 84FC35
> > > > > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 08:28 PM 4/24/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > > >Ron and Shirley are back on the road and headed towards
> > > Gallup NM.
> > > > > > >Ron will give a update when he has internet access.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Dan, Albuquerque NM
> > > > > > >BB BMC 37'
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just talked to the shop. Nothing on the electrical at
> > this
> > > > point,
> > > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > they found low fuel pressure, changed filters. I had
> > asked
> > > > them to
> > > > > > > > change the air filter anyway, because it was needing it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They found a hole in one of the turbo boost pipes and
> > > > repaired it.
> > > > > > > > That alone could have caused some of the power loss. It
> > says
> > > > > > >nothing
> > > > > > > > about the crazy throttle response where at full
> > throttle, we
> > > > only
> > > > > > >got
> > > > > > > > 1900 rpm and when backed off, we got the full 2200 rpm.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They are getting ready to go do a new throttle response
> > > test and
> > > > > > >power
> > > > > > > > test. I will talk with the manager shortly to see about
> > > > having the
> > > > > > > > batteries isolated and tested.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > More info a little later. I will not have internet in a
> > little
> > > > > > >while,
> > > > > > > > so I may have to update you when I can find service.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
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