buyer beware

[M.L. Perkinson]

Tom, I feel your pain. I Have a couple of times listed my 80fc because I am not
a mechanically inclined person and think vintage birds are for them.

Last time I listed it at $15 K and found that even when listed as firm the
shoppers were looking to pick it up for a lot less. I too like to get bargains
but Gee.

Anyway it is paid for and in fine shape and inspite of upkeep and fuel prices I
figure I am way ahead of investing in an SOB and paying higher taxes,
insurance,etc.

However in your case being a two bird owner I know you are frustrated. I bought
mine from a two bird person. Bought a lot of trouble because I thought he was a
better person than he was. We were having dinner after we closed the deal and a
guy came up to our table and said"Hey, I see you finally unloaded it!" Oman for
the beginning of troubles. Maury 80fc31'
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Meservey
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] buyer beware


As of late several members have bought coachs at what they thought was a real
bargin, only to find out many of the little hidden things that one CANNOT see,
and have them ended up with a "not so great bargin."

Here I am sitting with a 33 foot 1981 BB, in excellant running and material
condition, offered up at a reasonable price twice on eBay, and not one taker.
Yes the exterier is going to need painting, but there is NO rust, the bumpers
are in tact, and there is a new replaced parts list a mile long. I have
documented everything I have done or had done. New air bags on a '81 alone are
worth alot, plus new air compressor, electric dump valves etc. This forum is
great for "lurkers" to find out what is what, and get a chance to talk to people
before they buy. Why then are people still buying 'birds that have so many
issues that they ARE back yard projects. Beats me.

Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
Ladson, SC


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Messages In This Digest (9 Messages)
1a.
Re: Blue Bird Clock From: g_man1146
2.
Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift From: Gregory OConnor
3.
Mobile Satellite Television System From: heeneyfwaolcom
4a.
East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 From: Tom Warner
5a.
Re: Lighter Switch Source??? From: Jack and Liz Pearce
6a.
Some FC 31 questions From: ultrask824
6b.
Re: Some FC 31 questions From: grizz46s
7a.
84FC35 ride height From: Keith Strehle
7b.
Re: 84FC35 ride height From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
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1a.
Re: Blue Bird Clock Posted by: "g_man1146" gman1146@... g_man1146
Thu May 3, 2007 6:51 am (PST) Hi Bob,

I saw that and wondered why the high price. Is an original worth so
much more than a replica that can be easily made by anyone with basic
high school shop woodworking skills and a $5.00 quartz movement? Just
curious.

Rich D. '99LXi43' CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "robertnloomas"
wrote:
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> Anybody looking for a blue bird wall clock there is one on ebay
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT
>

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2.
Check Transmission Light 86pt 8V92 do not shift Posted by: "Gregory OConnor"
Gregoryoc@... gregoryoconnor Thu May 3, 2007 6:54 am (PST) Ryan wrote:
The "Check
trans" switch, when flipped the opposite direction of what it was,
caused the "check trans" light to flash the code: Three quick flashes,
short pause, two more flashes, long pause, repeat. So, first digit 3,
second 2 = code 32. Having read OBD diagnostic codes off of cars for
years (many early systems would flash the "check engine" light in the
same manner to show you the codes) this was second nature to me.

So, I called Mr. Oliver's and Paul gave me a name & phone number, and
that person found an Allison dealer close to me and also looked up the
code info.

As for the "J" solenoid, apparently it regulates shifting. This makes
sense given that the light only comes on after shifting. ~$200 + 4-5
hours labor to replace I'm told. I'll find out for sure in the
morning, I suppose.

-Ryan
86pt40 8V
On the Road

Ryan I reposted your informative post under a new thread because it
holds good info. The thread subject name and "proper ID of bus" will
help others find the info.

I think it a good idea to remind the Allison Tec that the bus 1)has a
batterybank 2)bank gets depleated during long storage 3)a very high
amp alt. If the J solenoid is shifting properly, why change it. The
code may be generated by some volt, wire, or connection problem that
wont get replaced with the new internal part. The early warning light
is proving to be a wolfcry. Dependent on; amps, ohms, volts, and all
that 'lectric bull, the computer warning lights fail to warn of a
problem with the warning.

I had an Allison tranny shop do my first oil change filter service
because I wanted a pro to have a look at old oil character and filter
deposits and run the bus down the road. That invoice was around
500.00

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

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3.
Mobile Satellite Television System Posted by: "heeneyfwaolcom"
heeneyfw@... heeneyfwaolcom Thu May 3, 2007 7:03 am (PST) I have a Cruise TV
DBS-30500 Mobile Satellite Dish system that I no
longer need. It is free to a good home. We upgraded to a "In Motion"
system several years ago and now we no longer need this system. It has
been in storage since and although I can not guarantee, there is every
reason to believe it will still work as good as it did when I removerd
it from the coach. It comes with motorized dish, control box and
wiring and manual. To use it you park the coach level, look up
location in manual, dial in coordinates and it will find and lock on
the satellite.
If you would like to have this unit all you have to do is e-mail me
directly. heeneyfw@.... Give me your location and I will tell you
your approx cost. Then you pay for shipping by FedEx and packaging.

Frank & Rosemarie Heeney
1987 PT 40
Where Eagles Dare
Camden, MI

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4a.
East Coast rally in Vernon NY June 8-10,2007 Posted by: "Tom Warner"
warbucks@... warbucks13477 Thu May 3, 2007 7:15 am (PST) Some BB owners are
putting together a simple rally for June
8-10 on the East coast in Vernon,New York. Shane Fedeli and Tom
Sorrentino have suggested June 8-10th. Its open as to what we do
although we can install upgrades or go over troubleshooting, reading
factory schematics etc on the coaches. Not looking for something to
structured as far as meals etc that is open for discussion.

Right now its open as to dry camping where we are close to tools etc
in my shop or one of the local RV parks. The Turning stone casino RV
park is beautiful but at $45/day a little pricy but I might be able
to get that reduced http://turning-stone.com/lodging/rvpark/. There
is also a RV park on Lake Oneida which is close at
$28/night http://www.treasureislervpark.com/ Here is another RV
park close by to me: http://www.aokcampgroundofnewyork.com/ rates are $25/day

Its also open as to whether you bring your families as there is a
lot to do in this area. Casino has good floor shows, restaurants etc
are excellent http://turning-stone.com/calendar/. The area also has
some of the best old world italian restaurants closebye where you can
get handmade italian food at noon for less then $5 including home
made bread and of course lots of italian pastries. There are other
restaurants close by such as large chinese buffets that are very
reasonable. Also close by is the Oneida Silver company where we can
get beautiful silver and stainless steel etc and very reduced prices.
Send me a private message if you are interested.

tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 PT 40

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5a.
Re: Lighter Switch Source??? Posted by: "Jack and Liz Pearce"
jlpearce@... homesicktexans_33009 Thu May 3, 2007 8:03 am (PST) Howdy,
Chet.
Thanks for the reply and I apologize for being so late. Called BB
parts and that's about the same price PLUS shipping and handling.

Regards,
Liz Pearce
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
Wintering In Hondo, TX - 2006

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist" wrote:
>
> Go to the nearest wholesale commercial electrical supplier they
should have
> one. Don't forget your check book they are not cheap. The one I
purchased
> cost me $25.36.
>
> Chet Geist
> 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jack and Liz
Pearce
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:06 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Lighter Switch Source???
>
>

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6a.
Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "ultrask824" ultrask824@... ultrask824
Thu May 3, 2007 8:39 am (PST) I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA.
He says he cruises
at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this.
I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the
larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm.

The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking
for some input or helpful info.

Thanks

Jonny

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Re: Some FC 31 questions Posted by: "grizz46s" roggie@... grizz46s
Thu May 3, 2007 9:15 am (PST) --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"ultrask824" wrote:
>
> I am talking to a seller with a 77 FC 31, 3208 NA. He says he cruises
> at 67 mph and gets 10mpg, I am wondering about the accuracy of this.
> I saw the RPM chart on Vintage Birds, the 67mph is possible with the
> larger tires (I don't know what size he has on it) at 2700 rpm.
>
> The price seems reasonable , $19k, (no leveling jacks tho), looking
> for some input or helpful info.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jonny
>
I have an 81 fc with the 3208, and I would say that the cruise speed is
most likely accurate or at least close. The milage at that speed may
be a bit of an exaggeration. I find to get that mileage I have to keep
the speed closer to 55. As for the price, it is really difficult to say
without more info. Are the jacks the only system that is inoperative?
There are a great many things that could cost far more to repair than
the jacks. Look it over closely. I purchased a coach on the owner's
word that the only thing wrong with the coach was the tach. When I got
there to pick it up I found a coach that looked very good on the
outside, but was very poor condition on the inside. Replacing flooring,
AC units, heaters, toilet, exhaust fans, and reupholstering, made a
reasonable price no longer so reasonable. My advice, "Buyer be ware!"
Check it over closely, if the majority of the systems are in good
woring order 19K is a good price in my estimation, but be very careful
or you can end up like me. I will be happy when I am done, but it has
cost me far more than I had anticipated to get there.
Gene

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84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Keith Strehle" strehlekeith@...
strehlekeith Thu May 3, 2007 8:55 am (PST) How difficult is it to adjust the
ride height on my 84FC? What is the
proper ride height and where do I measure from?

Should I have someone do this for me?

Keith
84FC35

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7b.
Re: 84FC35 ride height Posted by: "Ralph L. Fullenwider" rlf47@...
rlfrvtech Thu May 3, 2007 9:13 am (PST) Keith:

There should be a blue folder in your blue box for the ridewell air
suspension system. It will direct you on how to set the ride height and you
can do it yourself. It is time consuming though and best to make small
adjustments, run the coach around the block then measure, then adjust and
go around the block and so forth. The front will be aprox 1 inch lower in
the front and that is normal.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

At 03:52 PM 5/3/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>How difficult is it to adjust the ride height on my 84FC? What is the
>proper ride height and where do I measure from?
>
>Should I have someone do this for me?
>
>Keith
>84FC35
>
>
>

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