buyer beware

[bubblerboy64]

Robert, Ya lost me here. What bluebird are you talking about? Sounds
like you have something for me to look at but I am not aware of one
for sale that fits your description. Please understand I am not
trying to get something for nothing. I think all of us have bought
and sold enough "iron" to know that taking offense is counter
productive. I am looking for opinions. I threw out the number $30K
as a point for discussion not an offer on anyones coach. So again ya
lost me. If you study these things long enough your head starts to
spin. If I misspoke I apologize. JEH



>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> Ill bet you would $30 K for a older bird with new tires breaks
> air bags 2500 inverter new refrigerator new batteries and
generator
> new back up camera and not least new flooring so would I
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
> >
> > And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be a
> > completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing
nothing.
> At
> > a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects.
> > Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have
> > pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See
that's
> > the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations and
> > this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell for
> the
> > cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller
when
> > you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer
> paying
> > for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice
> coach
> > like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly the
> > price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is
the
> > rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill
Board
> > right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in competition
> with
> > the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about
> the
> > older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed
him
> > see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to
figure
> to
> > this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus
some.
> > But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could
> easily
> > spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to
> get
> > it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point.
> If
> > you have something worth the money do the work required to prove
> it.
> > I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older coach
> but
> > it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there of.
> So
> > I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking for
a
> > fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea
of
> > fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed
> > repairs will
> > > > probably always be a little more healthy than for
refurbished
> > coaches.
> > >
> > > Kerry,
> > >
> > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would
> rather
> > > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was
> > advertised
> > > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and
> seller
> > > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium for
> this
> > > work.
> > >
> > > In my search, I found that people were tending to sell "average"
> > > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market
> price".
> > > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where folks
> > > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to pay
> > that.
> > > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach with
a
> lot
> > > of problems, either.
> > >
> > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with
> nothing
> > > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In my
> > range I
> > > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to
was
> > > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value for
a
> > > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work I
> might
> > > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get
> $50k.
> > On
> > > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting $80k.
> > >
> > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with
> almost
> > no
> > > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those)
> right
> > > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me
> that
> > > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are
> those
> > > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to
make
> it
> > > half as nice as mine.
> > >
> > > So, there's my two cents worth.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > > '86 PT-40 8V92
> > > Tri-Cities, WA
> > >
> >
>