buyer beware

[Leroy Eckert]

Keeping the wife happy is priority 1. I have three step-kids on top of that so
I can be delusional at times.lol. I did purchase my coach to use rather than
restore. While I do work on it I would rather play. I have modified some
items, updated some things to make it different, but for the most part those
were elective. The coach was in fabulous shape when I purchased it and it's
doing fine.
I hope you can find something nice and enjoy it as we do, that way you can join
the party.
Everyone is here to help.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
On Panama City Beach

----- Original Message -----
From: bubblerboy64
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: buyer beware


Leroy, Your comments seem logical to me. That means one of two
things: You are correct or we are both deluding ourselves; not
certain which. I guess I must be getting serious I put my trailer up
on eBay to see what happens. I can afford to buy the bird and sell
the trailer later but the wife has already ask me about were I expect
to park it. I have a lot to learn but one thing I have concluded it
pays to keep her happy. So we'll see what happens over the next
couple weeks. Thanks again to all who have taken an interest in me
and my "issues" John Heckman
>
>
> A pre-owned H2 Hummer about 35K comes standard with GPS, moving map
display, DVD, leather seats, electronics inverter and room for a
large tent. It will fit in most any campground. No need for a toad.
Missing optional items include, bed, hot and cold running water, in
motion Sat TV, kitchen, convection oven, bathroom and other important
amenities. Looks to me like 35K for a top quality FC is a steal.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> On Panama City Beach-Folks in the tents are hot---forcast high92
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Hohnstein
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: buyer beware
>
>
> Take heart!! Gary Miller has an exceptional example in your price
range. Go to http://www.millercoachworks.com FC33, ignore the sold and 47k
asking price, it's on the market for mid 30's and a real deal at that
figure.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bubblerboy64
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:32 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: buyer beware
>
> Mike, That's the kind of information I need to hear. I was
looking at
> some older NA coaches and it seemed to me that $30k might do it.
> Apparently not? I am just trying to gather together an idea of
what
> is involved. I was thinking that perhaps paying $20 or about that
and
> figuring another $10k might do it. I am not going to be able to
> invest $60K. I just would not get my moneys worth for what I
would
> be using the coach for. I am not looking for a 10 out of 10. But
I
> was thinking that for $30K a guy could have a very presentable BB
> which was solid. If you are telling me you bought the best you've
> seen and still needed to spend another $45k doing the labor
yourself
> I pretty well better forget it. JEH
> >
> > I started out with a "fixer" for 15k. Rear bath FC.
> > I wuz lucky, it's the cleanest FC I've ever seen, and I have
> inspected a few. Bought it on the internet from on line pics.
Blown
> engine. Figured I fix it up a little and flip it. It turned out
to
> be so nice, decided I never find a better one.
> > Now that I am putting the final touches on the charge air
cooler
> install, not to mention the exterior restoration, the change over
to
> 24.5s the unending chassis electrical issues I'm getting real
close
> to $60k and not much of that is farmed out labor. I did all the
> heavy mechanical work and most of the inside repairs, water
system,
> lighting, vents, etc.
> > Depends on how you choose to spend the money, most of the good
> deals are when somebody dies. It pays to be a buzzard.
> > Cold but true.
> > Mike Hohnstein
> > Germantown, WI
> > 83 FC 35rb
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: bubblerboy64
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:48 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: buyer beware
> >
> >
> > And again my position as a buyer. My first preference would be
a
> > completely "ready to go" older FC rear bath coach needing
> nothing. At
> > a price which is "fair". And I have seen some likely prospects.
> > Coaches which have had leather interior and repaints which have
> > pushed the asking prices into the range of the pushers. See
> that's
> > the problem. I've fooled around with antique car restorations
and
> > this is so similar. A restored vehicle is not likely to sell
for
> the
> > cost of the restoration. I feel some sympathy for the seller
when
> > you know what he has invested to get it right but as a buyer
> paying
> > for his restoration just doesn't work either. So what's a nice
> coach
> > like I am looking for really worth? Well, it's worth exactly
the
> > price negotiated between the seller and the buyer and there is
> the
> > rub. There are a couple real nice newerFC buses on the Bill
Board
> > right now with prices from 50 to 60K. So are they in
competition
> with
> > the pushers (?) I can't say. And what does that tell you about
> the
> > older FC's. One fellow has a 1975 listed for 30K. I e-mailed
him
> > see what he comes back with. From what I have been able to
figure
> to
> > this point his bus would have to be a ready to go coach plus
> some.
> > But on the other hand as a buyer I could see that a guy could
> easily
> > spend $15k and then in a short time spend an additional $15K to
> get
> > it right. Price is certainly not cost. Not to belabor a point.
If
> > you have something worth the money do the work required to
prove
> it.
> > I could see spending $30 for a really nicely restored older
coach
> but
> > it would have to be exactly what I want with the proof there
of.
> So
> > I guess what I am saying is that I personally am not looking
for
> a
> > fixer upper. I can do some repairs but frankly its not my idea
of
> > fun. Certainly others would feel differently. JEH
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/4/07, davidkerryedwards wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hence, the market for older Wanderlodge's with some needed
> > repairs will
> > > > probably always be a little more healthy than for
refurbished
> > coaches.
> > >
> > > Kerry,
> > >
> > > I agree to an extent. Personally, I think most people would
> rather
> > > have a refurbished coach - I know I looked for one that was
> > advertised
> > > as not having any problems. The disconnect between buyer and
> seller
> > > comes in price: Most buyers aren't willing to pay a premium
for
> this
> > > work.
> > >
> > > In my search, I found that people were tending to
sell "average"
> > > coaches in a certain price range - what I considered "market
> price".
> > > Then there were the occasional "refurbished" coaches where
folks
> > > wanted twenty grand above "market price". I wasn't going to
pay
> > that.
> > > In fact, I wasn't going to pay "market price" for a coach
with
> a lot
> > > of problems, either.
> > >
> > > As a buyer, here's how it worked for me: A good coach with
> nothing
> > > wrong commands full market value, perhaps slightly more. In
my
> > range I
> > > identified mid eighties PT-40s and the market value I came to
> was
> > > about $50,000. Now, I wasn't going to pay full market value
for
> a
> > > coach with a lot of issues. Something that needed major work
I
> might
> > > have paid $35k for, but sellers still thought they could get
> $50k.
> > On
> > > the flip side, many "perfect" coaches, folks were wanting
$80k.
> > >
> > > When all was said and done I did find a very good coach with
> almost
> > no
> > > problems (few things here and there, but they all have those)
> right
> > > near what I considered to be fair market value. This tells me
> that
> > > those wanting $80k for their similar coaches are high, as are
> those
> > > wanting $50k for something that needs $20k worth of work to
> make it
> > > half as nice as mine.
> > >
> > > So, there's my two cents worth.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > > '86 PT-40 8V92
> > > Tri-Cities, WA
> > >
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