93 PT-40 for sale in Nashville

[mbulriss]

Hey Alvie Miller - I rest my case!

Pete, aren't you the same person that once said *ALL* DD engines
require straight 40W? I also remember you later said jokingly
something like "you are an old guy and all real DDs are 2-cycle" to you.

I guess I'm pressing my luck by not having any lubrication related
failures,... you know, having used Amsoil since 1979 in general and in
my Birds since early 1997. Lots of other members are also using Amsoil
and other synthetics in their Birds.

I know DD updated their 93K124 document on "ENGINE REQUIREMENTS —
LUBRICATING OIL, FUEL AND FILTERS" in 2005, but that update was mainly
to update to reflect the newest API CI-4 rating. That document is
almost entirely about the new series engines now and only mentions the
older 2-cycles by re-printing what has always been there. In their
defense, I can't imagine why DD would spend $$$$$$$$ certifying the
new breed of oils for an obsolete engine, but isn't it odd that they
certify and recommend multi-weight synthetics and dino-based oils for
the newer engines?

Just for the record, all my DD manuals I have ever had always said you
can use 15W-40 in colder climates, but recommend to change back to
straight weight when temps rise to 'normal' again (above 40-50F? I
think it was). Lubricating oils have come a long way from when DD
started building the 2-cycles and was actively certifying oils for
them. Multi-weight dino-based oils, circa 60s and 70s, did in fact
break down incredibly fast when DD was actively building the 2-cycles
and actively certifying oils for them. Testing proved that the
straight weight petroleum oils were much better back then for shear
strength and thermal stability.

Times change. The API standards have also evolved. The synthetics
outperform petroleum based oils by a wide margin today. The way I
understand it, the current generation of 15W-40 synthetics pass all
requirements for the old straight weight petroleum 40. (Note: Even
Mobil's Delvac 1 5W-40 is certified for the Series 60. And anything
with 5W in it makes me shudder.)

I compare the specs listed by DD against the actual specs of the oil I
use. Since we are talking Amsoil here, they used to make a straight
40-weight diesel oil. Demand dropped to nothing, API standards
changed, and now it is the 15W-40. I called and talked with their
engineers before I went to that. (As the old 2-cycles get retired, and
the market for the old straight weight oils shrinks further, fewer and
fewer companies will even supply a straight-weight 40.)

If you look at thermal stability and high shear strength, critical
measurements for oil protection, the DD literature says: "In 15W-40
grade oils, a HT/HS viscosity below 3.7 centipoise (cP) indicates that
the oil will not perform as a 40 grade oil at engine operating
conditions." Amsoil's 15W-40 is measured at 4.4cP, well above DD
minimum requirements. Checking DD Table 3.2 from their oil spec for
40W oil, the Amsoil 15W40 that Alvie mentioned meets all the Kinematic
Viscosity and the Viscosity Index requirements.

Further, with the clean air acts and the decreases in sulfur
requirements it is becoming a lot harder for the petroleum based
fluids to meet the TBN (Total Base Number) requirements of the old
2-cycles - which is listed at a range of 7-10 TBN from the DD 40W
chart. Now TBN is really a case where bigger is better. Amsoil's TBN
is 12.1 for their 15W-40. Total Base Number measures an oil's
alkalinity and ability to neutralize acid using lab testing (ASTM D
2896 or D 4739) - acid production is generally considered bad for your
basic internal combustion engine.

Finally, from the Amsoil web site:
AMSOIL Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel & Marine Motor Oil is recommended
for use in diesel engines and other applications requiring any of the
listed worldwide specifications and gasoline engines requiring API SL,
SJ, SH or ACEA A3.

* API CI-4+, CF, CF-2, SL
* ACEA A3/B3, E2, E3, E5, E7
* Global DHD-1
* JASO DH-1
* Mack EO-N Premium Plus '03
* DDC Power Guard 93K214
* Caterpillar ECF-1A, ECF-2

Now I suppose they could be lying in print, but they probably have
lawyers to prevent them from doing that unless they actually can prove
that they can meet those specs.

Anyway, didn't mean to bludgeon the subject. I just wanted to set the
record straight. Newer doesn't mean bad. Otherwise the API, SAE and
ASTM testing wouldn't keep evolving. In the old days, if we got 100k
miles out of a car engine without a re-build it was fantastic. Now
(with something at least resembling proper maintenance) people
regularly get upwards of 250k. I've never had a Suburban with under
300k when I got rid of it, and they were all running good. Lots of
that is due strictly to lubrication advances.

FWIW,

Mike Bulriss - gene pool still functioning fine thank you
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"- 8V92 running that nasty old Amsoil
San Antonio, TX




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, PM7088@... wrote:
>
> The gene pool of home mechanics is purified by folks who: Use
Amsoil in 2 cycle diesels, install K&N air filters and/or propane
injectors and or sill "Chips" that increase their horsepower to the
point that pistons melt.
>
> Pete
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: brad barton <bbartonwx@...>
> I always heard never to use anything but single-weight oil on my
8V92..never multigrade unless in a pinch.
> FWIW
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> From: aamiller@...
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:41:17 +0000
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 93 PT-40 for sale in Nashville
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Do you like Amsoil also? I use the 15w40 heavy duty Marine in the
> generator as well as the 8v92 and it is doing a great job. I would
> like to also switch the transmission fluid but haven't got it done
> yet. I also use Amsoil in the boys two BMW's, the wife's van, my 05
> Duramax pickup and in the tractor and mowers as well.
>
> Alvie Miller
> 93 WLWB
> Arthur IL
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > Thanks for the update. I'm going to change mine over to the Amsoil
> > equivalent of the Transynd, since I can get that cheaper. 1MPG
> > increase is 20%!
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minvan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > I call Prevost and they told me it is Transynd by Castrol.
> > > http://www.allisontransmission.com/service/transynd.jsp
> > >
> > > I also had a level 3 service which replaces all filters. In the
> > > Allison 6 speed I think there are 3 internal filters and of
> course
> > > all oil, fuel and air filters. They greased everything that could
> be
> > > grease and it also helped in the braking. I used to get a noise
> from
> > > the front brake that was called normal but it has now quit.
> > >
> > > I was told when I bought my coach that all the fluid & filters
> had
> > > been changed but I really don't know for sure. But it did not
> perform
> > > like it does now.
> > >
> > > What I do know is that I'm up to 5.5 to 6 MPG from 4.5 to 4.8
> > > according to the SilverLeaf VMSpc.
> > >
> > > Call it what you like, it's working for me.
> > >
> > > Here's something to chew on. I don't know anything about H2O
> helping
> > > your fuel mileage but I know Propane injection works. On a trip
> last
> > > summer I was at a Flying J in S.W. KY. At the RV island.
> > >
> > > A trucker in a red and white Peterbuilt pulled in behind me. I
> > > thought that to strange in itself, so I went back to his truck to
> > > tell him I was going to be there a while for fuel and propane.
> > >
> > > He told me he was after propane. I asked why and he said he had a
> > > truck with propane injection and the outfit he drove for was
> testing
> > > the system on 20 or so trucks. I asked if it was working and he
> > > professed almost 2.5 MPG up on average.
> > >
> > > I don't know about that, but I do know the guy whom works on my
> Ford
> > > Powerstroke has a propane fire diesel pick up that with rip and
> > > snort, and he's getting better MPG than my truck gets
> > >
> > > Kurt Horvath
> > > 95 PT-42 WLWB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > filters and the high grade transmission fluid really made a
> > > > > difference, about a mile per gallon and super smooth
> shifting.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HELLO! 1MPG from tranny fluid change!? Hey Kurt, feel free to
> > > > expound on the tranny fluid change. Synthetic I assume? I
> have
> > > been
> > > > putting that change off for a while since the dino tranny fluid
> was
> > > > fresh, but for 1MPG.....
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - in need of a quick cheap 1MPG
> upgrade
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well you can tell I've been off the web for a while. My
> computers
> > > > > were infected by a Trojan virus late in Jan. It took a while
> and
> > > a
> > > > > new laptop to fix the problems. I lost a lot of files and had
> to
> > > get
> > > > > new credit cards. S.O.B.'s, "and I don't mean, Some Other
> Bus" So
> > > if
> > > > > I repeat any request or post, or stuff you guys have already
> > > beaten
> > > > > to death, forgive me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike your right; I do recall seeing that coach listed for a
> while
> > > > > now. If it's truly a good deal it won't stick around for
> long.
> > > I'll
> > > > > go by Staley's if I have time just to look at her.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul, The Indulgence is safe at home and ready for this
> weekend's
> > > > > trip. I'm taking my daughter and 9 of her friends to
> Nashville
> > > for
> > > > > their Senior Prom. Should be Hoot!
> > > > >
> > > > > Bye the way my coach is not for sale, I like all Birds, but
> the
> > > PT-
> > > > > 42's are my favorite flavor, maybe a 43 would due but I would
> not
> > > go
> > > > > to a 40 footer of any mfg. Yes you're right I'm spoiled! All
> I
> > > need
> > > > > now is a Stacker Trailer that doesn't cost as much as my
> coach,
> > > so I
> > > > > can load it up full of toys and its party time!
> > > > >
> > > > > I had a full servicing done at Prevost Nashville a few months
> ago
> > > and
> > > > > it was well worth the money. All new filters & fluids, the
> new
> > > tranny
> > > > > filters and the high grade transmission fluid really made a
> > > > > difference, about a mile per gallon and super smooth
> shifting.
> > > The
> > > > > Jake is even smoother and not as radical, the jerking upon
> > > activation
> > > > > has gone away. I'm a very happy camper. The brakes were
> checked
> > > for
> > > > > wear and a full chassis lube, headlights adjusted and new
> wiper
> > > > > blades. She is ready to roll.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > 95 PT-42 WLWB
> > > > >
> > > > > Damn the price of fuel! Full speed ahead!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> <mbulriss@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Being rather partial to green coaches, I tend to watch for
> > > them.
> > > > > That
> > > > > > one looks really good in the pictures, but it has been on
> > > > > consignment
> > > > > > on Staley's lot for a *long* time. I distinctly remember
> the
> > > > > > (HEADLINER IN FRONT LOUNGE HAS DAMAGE AND NEEDS TO BE
> REPAIRED)
> > > > > > comment. Odd there are no pictures of the damage. As I
> recall,
> > > > > > someone went to see it and had posted a rather negative
> > > review. I
> > > > > > searched for that post but can't find it right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If someone remembers that post or went to see the coach,
> please
> > > > > update
> > > > > > us again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" (lot's of greeeeen, baby)
> > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bumpersbird"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I ran across this coach will surfing this morning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like it but I don't know anything about it's history.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The link is listed below
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.staleycoach.com/48350.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > > > 95 PT-42 WLWB
> > > > > > >
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