Sad Safety Reminder

[bubblerboy64]

Gregory, I strongly recommend that you advise your neighbor not to
shoot the kids with an air rifle. They then to run home and tell when
you do that. Now, the neighbors cats don't talk... John
>
> One concern about a pit is venting heavy flamable vapors.
> $quanderBus/YukonBill warned me of the danger and we add an exhaust
> vent to a stack with a fan to move air. An electric fan should be
> used to pressurize the vapor out but it is less effective to push
> than draw the air with a big open pit I have probably dug 10 pits
> in the last 5 years. I just set up a shotcreat pit hole for a
gunite
> contractor. aproximations Excavation -$1,200, #3Steel -$400.,
> Shotcrete-1,300.00. In place of a fence you could use a swimming
> pool trampoline cover. My neighbor uses an air rifle to protect the
> other neighbors kids from getting hurt falling in the uncovered
pit.
> Rock salt may be more effective
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dorn Hetzel"
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I was going to put a fence around it and size it to fit the
> bird with
> > entrance steps at one end. Probably only make it 4 or 5 feet
deep
> and run a
> > drain to a downhill location so it won't hold water. Thinking
> about
> > building a "bird house" over the pit later and just having the pit
> > underneath the birds normal parking spot
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:01 AM, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> >
> > > I think you are entirely correct about the pits. I use a quick
> > > change oil place to have the oil in my cars changed. They have
a
> pit
> > > which you drive over. It's situated in a garage with a garage
> door in
> > > front of and in back of the pit (drive thru). I noticed it was
> their
> > > practice to have the customer drive into (and therefore over)
> the pit
> > > and then exit the car to wait in the waiting room while the oil
> was
> > > changed. The problem being that with an average length or short
> car
> > > the customer if he walked around the back of his car as would
be
> your
> > > typical path to get to the waiting room he was exposed to the
> very
> > > real chance of falling into the pit. I saw this situation and
> told
> > > the owner he was absolutely NUTS to operate this way. I don't
> know
> > > if it was my effort or not but I noticed the next time I was
thru
> > > there they had covered the back part of the pit so that a person
> > > would have to go under the car in order to hit the pit. It would
> > > worry me a lot to have a pit on my property. If it wasn't
> covered it
> > > would fill with water and what ever. I guess for some it's a
good
> > > option but for the average guy I think you are better off
> farming out
> > > the work that requires a pit to do the work. Lets face the
> reality
> > > of this stuff. If you can afford to own and fuel one of these
> things
> > > cash can't be that tight to risk your life. I think some of our
> > > problems are (well I know they are) that we don't want to admit
> to
> > > our limitations and especially as we age. Age can bring
> experience
> > > and good judgment but it also can bring a stubborn attitude
> that "I
> > > can still do this".
> > > John Heckman
> > > central Pa
> > > 1973 FC
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > PIts are wonderful to work in. They are also a huge liability
> as
> > > falling into one can be lethal. Building codes in many areas do
> not
> > > allow them.
> > > >
> > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > From: Pete Masterson
> > > > > I believe the shocks where stopping the droop of the axles,
> so
> > > the
> > > > > stress wasn't on the air bags -- From what I could see,
they
> were
> > > not
> > > > > over-extended. This may not be true on older coaches -- but
> it
> > > > > appeared to be the case on my '95. Indeed, on some modestly
> > > sloping
> > > > > camp sites, the leveling jacks will bring the wheels
> completely
> > > off
> > > > > the ground, so BB must have engineered the suspension to
> allow
> > > for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > CCW in Riverside does not have pits -- I'm told they're
> looking
> > > for a
> > > > > new location (for the complete facility) as they've
outgrown
> the
> > > area
> > > > > they have, so they're not investing anything extra in the
> > > facilities
> > > > > they have beyond basic necesities.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the wanted to do a full examination of the underside
> (and
> > > wash
> > > > > the bottom of the engine, etc.) they used 6 "wheel jacks" --
> > > huge
> > > > > hydraulic jacks that cradle each tire and raise up the coach
> > > > > (controlled by a computer that keeps them all moving
> together).
> > > It
> > > > > was an amazing thing to see. (I saw several busses raised
up
> with
> > > the
> > > > > things while I was there.)
> > > > >
> > > > > However, for some aspects of the service, the work was done
> next
> > > to
> > > > > the "Blue Bird" section of the CCW facility. For example,
the
> > > air
> > > > > dryer was removed (to be rebuilt) with the coach slightly
> raised
> > > to
> > > > > let the technicians roll under the coach on creepers. I
think
> > > the
> > > > > technicians would be very happy to have a service pit -- and
> > > perhaps
> > > > > one will be made available in the future when CCW finds,
> builds,
> > > and
> > > > > moves to a new facility.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I was at Henderson's Line-Up in Grants Pass Oregon --
> seeing
> > > how
> > > > > they worked on the coach from their pit made it very clear
> what
> > > an
> > > > > advantage it was. To tell the truth, I wish I had room for
a
> pit
> > > for
> > > > > the maintenance items I handle (but that's far from likely
to
> > > ever
> > > > > happen).
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > El Sobrante CA
> > > > > aeonix1@
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:28 PM, David Brady wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This may not be true for all Wanderlodges, (I think it
> is), but
> > > > > > on my LXi the shocks will stop the drooping axles before
> the
> > > > > > air bags, thereby eliminating load on the air bags. I
> called
> > > Koni
> > > > > > and Justin assured me that each shock can handle 8500 lb
of
> > > > > > dead load (tension) in this static configuration;
> consequently,
> > > > > > there's no risk of damaging a shock.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Brady
> > > > > > '02 LXi, NC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bumpersbird wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Pete,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I've seen some shops use the technique of using blocks
> under
> > > the
> > > > > >> jacks to get the wheels off the ground and to get the
> coach in
> > > the
> > > > > >> air. I may be wrong but I think their is an issue of the
> air
> > > bags
> > > > > >> being strained beyond thier extension limits.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Don't get me wrong I've had the wheels off the ground
via
> the
> > > jacks
> > > > > >> several times, but I don't like to do it and I think it
> could
> > > easily
> > > > > >> damage the coach.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I would suggest a pit or a lift for the safest way for
> working
> > > under
> > > > > >> anything.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sometimes we take safty for granted, we think we know
what
> > > what were
> > > > > >> doing, most of us have spent a lot of time working on our
> > > coaches and
> > > > > >> we know them intimatly. She can and will bite, if you
> don't
> > > mind her.
> > > > > >> You just can't be too careful.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Kurt Horvath
> > > > > >> 95 PT-42
> > > > > >> Fayetteville TN
> > > > > >>
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