electrical problems

[Pete Masterson]

That was one expensive test. New Setra ($600K??) and 44 test dummies.
Wonder how fast it was traveling when it hit the wall -- there was a
lot of front end damage. Sure lets you know why they have alternate
escape hatches!

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Idaho Springs, CO



On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

>
> Mike,
> It worked this time.
> Notice the millisecond timer in the top left corner on the interior
> portion of the video, S--T happens fast. The second you don't respect
> one of these machines is when they let you know who's boss.
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10Ac
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
>>
>> I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy
>> and paste in address bar???
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-QZbfxo
>> Kurt Horvath
>> 95 PT-42
>> 10Ac
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
>>> requested is not available".
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> Mike Bulriss
>>> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
>>> San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you
> can
>>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say
> it
>> can
>>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can
> happen.
>>>>
>>>> Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check
>> this
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Horvath
>>>> 95 PT-42
>>>> 10AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny
> plug
>> on
>>>> it
>>>>> then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but
>> did
>>>> not
>>>>> know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not
>> long
>>>> ago
>>>>> I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50
>> amp
>>>>> plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had
>> 30amp
>>>>> plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much
> as
>> it
>>>>> does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
>>>>> something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the
>> battery
>>>>> campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally
>> about
>>>>> that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as
>> well.
>>>>> Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with
> the
>> low
>>>>> voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the
>> positive
>>>>> against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow
> can
>> get
>>>>> hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was
>> VERY
>>>>> careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like
> it
>> up
>>>>> there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that
> all
>> is
>>>>> well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you,
> you
>> can
>>>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can
> say
>> it
>>>> can
>>>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in
> between.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Heckman
>>>>> central Pa
>>>>> 1973 FC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the
> shore
>>>> cord,
>>>>> not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is
> a
>>>> molded
>>>>> connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is
>> original?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just
> behind
>> the
>>>>> connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why
>> that
>>>> is
>>>>> there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to
> pull
>> the
>>>>> connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the
>> connector.
>>>>> Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not
>> the
>>>>> wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches
>> need to
>>>>> do what
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>> just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we
>> should
>>>> also
>>>>> check
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> shore cord coach ends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on
> our
>>>>> current trip.
>>>>>>>> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of
>> the
>>>>> first, but I
>>>>>>>> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
>>>> hoping
>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a
>> clue. I
>>>>> will rest
>>>>>>>> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will
>> run
>>>>> through for
>>>>>>>> clarity:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on
>> the
>>>>> park pole
>>>>>>>> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker
> for
>> the
>>>>> inverter.
>>>>>>>> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not
> return
>>>> when
>>>>> breakers
>>>>>>>> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a
>> ProSine
>>>>> 2.0, is
>>>>>>> toast
>>>>>>>> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I
>> removed
>>>> the
>>>>> inverter
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> wired input/output together for power on the inverted
>> circuit
>>>>> when on
>>>>>>> park
>>>>>>>> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries
> up
>>>> while
>>>>> parked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-
>> of-
>>>>> warranty)
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking
> it
>> up
>>>>> without
>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>> what caused the failure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a
>> park
>>>> in
>>>>> Ogallala
>>>>>>>> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
>>>> turning
>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>> internal main breakers I was able to get the park
> breaker
>> to
>>>>> hold after
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure
> if
>> it
>>>>> was just
>>>>>>> weak.
>>>>>>>> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
>>>> nothing
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50
>> cord
>>>>> worked fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on
> the
>> end.
>>>>> White and
>>>>>>>> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not
> attached
>> at
>>>>> all - screw
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting
> case,
>> but
>>>>> who knows
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
>>>> rebuilt
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one
> was
>> not
>>>>> caused by
>>>>>>>> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory
>> work
>>>>> regardless
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the
>> connection
>>>>> is.
>>>>>>> Anybody
>>>>>>>> have thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don Bradner
>>>>>>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>>>>>>>> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
>>>>>>>> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Curt Sprenger
>>>>>>> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
>>>>>>> Anaheim Hills, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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