Wet sleeve explained

[Kurt Horvath]

Ron,

Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer
that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.

Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10AC



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put
it
> back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
of
> knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
> I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
damaged
> sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
emptied
> > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
you
> > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
didnt
> > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
because
> > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> > exist delt with.
> >
> > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
it
> > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
bedroom
> > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> >
> > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > flawed
> > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
especially if
> > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for
a
> > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > >
> > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > indication of a problem.
> > >
> > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > scapegoat in
> > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
for a
> > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
only
> > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
vehicle
> > such
> > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
months
> > and
> > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
that.
> > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > >
> > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > failure in
> > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > >
> > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but
it
> > too
> > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
that
> > one?
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > importance on
> > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
wet
> > sleeve
> > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > >
> > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
of
> > the
> > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
a
> > seal on
> > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
oil.
> > > >
> > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > 20sleeve\
> > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > inframe is not
> > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it
is
> > always
> > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's
are
> > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > integrity is
> > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > engine
> > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
seals
> > are and
> > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > coaches are
> > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > >
> >
>