Wet sleeve explained

[mbulriss]

Good grief Ron! Sorry!
$25-30K for an in-frame?
How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach
> > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after
> > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they
> > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just
> > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer
> > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get
> > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT-42
> > 10AC
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put
> > it
> > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way
> > of
> > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt.
> > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two
> > damaged
> > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return
> > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat
> > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop
> > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it
> > emptied
> > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time.
> > you
> > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you
> > didnt
> > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works
> > because
> > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot
> > > > exist delt with.
> > > >
> > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring
> > it
> > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the
> > bedroom
> > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > >
> > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is
> > > > flawed
> > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause
> > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > especially if
> > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for
> > a
> > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first
> > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less
> > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the
> > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty
> > for a
> > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory
> > only
> > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial
> > vehicle
> > > > such
> > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12
> > months
> > > > and
> > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on
> > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than
> > that.
> > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine
> > > > failure in
> > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > >
> > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but
> > it
> > > > too
> > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on
> > that
> > > > one?
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the
> > > > importance on
> > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are
> > wet
> > > > sleeve
> > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near
> > a
> > > > seal on
> > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the
> > oil.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder
> > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it
> > is
> > > > always
> > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's
> > are
> > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant
> > > > integrity is
> > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your
> > > > engine
> > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other
> > seals
> > > > are and
> > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private
> > > > coaches are
> > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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