Wet sleeve explained

[Leroy Eckert]

Really. Check with these guys in Wyoming, I think that is where they are. http://www.powerlinecomponents.com Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors Dahlonega, GA --- On Fri, 9/26/08, mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote: From: mbulriss <mbulriss@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Wet sleeve explained To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 8:31 PM Good grief Ron! Sorry! $25-30K for an in-frame? How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty? Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" San Antonio, TX --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" wrote: > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that amount. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath" > wrote: > > > > Ron, > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a coach > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months after > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for is they > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens I just > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little prayer > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up there, get > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option. > > > > Kurt Horvath > > 95 PT-42 > > 10AC > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" > > wrote: > > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to just put > > it > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have no way > > of > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs did melt. > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the two > > damaged > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the return > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the overheat > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was dumped. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the shop > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said it > > emptied > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some time. > > you > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if you > > didnt > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the works > > because > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or maynot > > > > exist delt with. > > > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to bring > > it > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in the > > bedroom > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost. > > > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite, > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved engine is > > > > flawed > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will cause > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true > > especially if > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your warranty for > > a > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!. > > > > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from first > > > > > indication of a problem. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine is less > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user the > > > > scapegoat in > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the warranty > > for a > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The factory > > only > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A commercial > > vehicle > > > > such > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that 12 > > months > > > > and > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only puts on > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less than > > that. > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions. > > > > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one engine > > > > failure in > > > > > a Detroit 8V92. > > > > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series 60, but > > it > > > > too > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record is on > > that > > > > one? > > > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken) > > > > > > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts the > > > > importance on > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series 60 are > > wet > > > > sleeve > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved. > > > > > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on the side > > of > > > > the > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor pitting near > > a > > > > seal on > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant in the > > oil. > > > > > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://video. google.com/ videosearch? gbv=2&hl= en&safe=off& q=wet% > > > > 20sleeve\ > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp= 20&ie=UTF- 8&sa=N&tab= iv#q=wet% 20sleeve% > > > > 20&hl=en&emb= 0> The > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single cylinder > > > > inframe is not > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines' because it > > is > > > > always > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall (3208's > > are > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so coolant > > > > integrity is > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is once your > > > > engine > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the other > > seals > > > > are and > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why private > > > > coaches are > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >