Wet sleeve explained

[Bob Lawrence]

Hi Ron,
Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
weather.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Branson, Mo.

> Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
wrote:
> >
> > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times that
amount.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
coach
> > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three months
after
> > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
is they
> > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this happens
I just
> > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a little
> prayer
> > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
there, get
> > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > 10AC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> just put
> > > > it
> > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I have
no
> way
> > > > of
> > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat plugs
did
> melt.
> > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced the
two
> > > > damaged
> > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on the
return
> > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
overheat
> > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant was
> dumped.
> > > > >
> > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when the
shop
> > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you said
it
> > > > emptied
> > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take some
> time.
> > > > you
> > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one if
you
> > > > didnt
> > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
works
> > > > because
> > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may or
> maynot
> > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one to
bring
> > > > it
> > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
the
> > > > bedroom
> > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> engine is
> > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling, will
cause
> > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > especially if
> > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> warranty for
> > > > a
> > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes from
first
> > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved engine
> is less
> > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
the
> > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
warranty
> > > > for a
> > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> factory
> > > > only
> > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
commercial
> > > > vehicle
> > > > > > such
> > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in that
12
> > > > months
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner only
> puts on
> > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually less
than
> > > > that.
> > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
engine
> > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the Series
> 60, but
> > > > it
> > > > > > too
> > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure record
is on
> > > > that
> > > > > > one?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
OConnor"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also depicts
the
> > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
60 are
> > > > wet
> > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
the
> side
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
pitting
> near
> > > > a
> > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
in the
> > > > oil.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%20sleeve%
> > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
cylinder
> > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> because it
> > > > is
> > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder wall
> (3208's
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
coolant
> > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
once your
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
other
> > > > seals
> > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
private
> > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
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