Wet sleeve explained

[Scott Forman]

So the big question is...is there something, anything, that can be
done to prevent this failure?

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Can't afford a $30k rebuild
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> Sorry for the trouble. We were parked next to you in Q last year.
> Have you considered getting a lowboy to take the bus south to a
> better dealer and maybe a lower price? It would get you out of the
> weather.
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Branson, Mo.
>
> > Up there, it would be close to the same and be 10 to 12 weeks out,
> > putting me in the winter and probably hard to get home.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good grief Ron! Sorry!
> > > $25-30K for an in-frame?
> > > How much for a reman replacement with a nationwide warranty?
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kurt: You got off lightly. I am looking at 5 to 6 times
that
> amount.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry that you are grounded. Words can't begin to console a
> coach
> > > > > owner with a broke motor. Been there done that, three
months
> after
> > > > > buying my coach. New cam & stuff $5K. Best you can hope for
> is they
> > > > > do a good job and you get the warranty. Anytime this
happens
> I just
> > > > > tell them fix it like it was yours and walk away. Say a
little
> > prayer
> > > > > that it works out. When they are done with it go back up
> there, get
> > > > > your coach and DRIVE BABY DRIVE! It's your only good option.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > > 10AC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They already have it torn down. It would cost a bundle to
> > just put
> > > > > it
> > > > > > back together to get it back. Heads overheated, but I
have
> no
> > way
> > > > > of
> > > > > > knowing if they are really damaged or not. Overheat
plugs
> did
> > melt.
> > > > > > I'm pretty much at their mercy. If they only replaced
the
> two
> > > > > damaged
> > > > > > sleeves that are obvious and the engine failed again on
the
> return
> > > > > > trip, I would not have any warranty at all. Most of the
> overheat
> > > > > > happened after the shut down because most of the coolant
was
> > dumped.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I posted that for you to have some insight info when
the
> shop
> > > > > > > called. Kinda thought it was a sleeve seal when you
said
> it
> > > > > emptied
> > > > > > > quick. a cracked head and waterpump gasket would take
some
> > time.
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > can always only drop in a sleeve to repair the bad one
if
> you
> > > > > didnt
> > > > > > > get things too hot. the garage is gonna sell you the
> works
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > they can and it is sure to get any other issue that may
or
> > maynot
> > > > > > > exist delt with.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > get a price on dropping in some sleves or just the one
to
> bring
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > to a local with better US craftsmanship. a trap door in
> the
> > > > > bedroom
> > > > > > > closet would speed a rebuild up and reduce labor cost.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope you get it going for Quartzsite,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg: I can tell you first hand now, that a sleeved
> > engine is
> > > > > > > flawed
> > > > > > > > and the failure of any seal, unless it is idling,
will
> cause
> > > > > > > > catastrophic failure and total rebuild. This is true
> > > > > especially if
> > > > > > > > you expect any kind of warranty on the work. Your
> > warranty for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > partial is only 30 days. BIG DEAL!.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just lost my engine in less than 1.5 minutes
from
> first
> > > > > > > > indication of a problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sure the whole purpose behind the sleeved
engine
> > is less
> > > > > > > > weight and cost in manufacture, but it makes the user
> the
> > > > > > > scapegoat in
> > > > > > > > the case of any failure. To make matters worse, the
> warranty
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > > re-build is awful as it related to motorhome use. The
> > factory
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > gives you 12 months and unlimited mileage. A
> commercial
> > > > > vehicle
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > as a long-haul truck can log up to 50,000 miles in
that
> 12
> > > > > months
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > it is a good warranty. The average motorhome owner
only
> > puts on
> > > > > > > > around 10,000 miles in the same period and usually
less
> than
> > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > Not much of a warranty under those conditions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I could purchase a used FC for the price of one
> engine
> > > > > > > failure in
> > > > > > > > a Detroit 8V92.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Detroit gives much better warranties on the
Series
> > 60, but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > too
> > > > > > > > is a sleeved engine. I wonder what the failure
record
> is on
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > one?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > > > > > > Currently sitting in Calgary, Alberta (Broken)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
> OConnor"
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > here is a video on wet sleeve vs dry. it also
depicts
> the
> > > > > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > > maintaining coolant integrity. 8v92 6v92 and series
> 60 are
> > > > > wet
> > > > > > > sleeve
> > > > > > > > > the kubota gensets are drySleeved.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the two stroke V92's have intake/exhaust ports on
> the
> > side
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > sleeve and require more sealing surface . minor
> pitting
> > near
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > seal on
> > > > > > > > > the waterside can let the seal go. and dump coolant
> in the
> > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cylinder sleeve video
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > <http://video.google.com/videosearch?gbv=...off&q=wet%
> > > > > > > 20sleeve\
> > > > > > > > > %20cross&ndsp=20&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#q=wet%
20sleeve%
> > > > > > > 20&hl=en&emb=0> The
> > > > > > > > > FC and SP 3208's have not a sleeve so a single
> cylinder
> > > > > > > inframe is not
> > > > > > > > > possible. some call the 3208 'throwaway engines'
> > because it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > completly rebuilt at the failure of one cylinder
wall
> > (3208's
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > notorious for waterjacket issues at one cylinder so
> coolant
> > > > > > > integrity is
> > > > > > > > > as important). problem with a sleeved engine is
> once your
> > > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > > > looses coolant you cant tell how compramise all the
> other
> > > > > seals
> > > > > > > are and
> > > > > > > > > a total rebuild is prudent. kinda think that is why
> private
> > > > > > > coaches are
> > > > > > > > > rebuilt more often than just repaired
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greg
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