RIV Report?

[John]

As a new owner here is my thoughts.

I just bought an 83 FC35 with only 58,000 miles on it.

It needs allot of work

Do I expect factory support....... No

Do I expect that I will have to find another source for most everything....... YES

I will depend on the support of this and other web boards and the new friends I am making along the way.

I expect to keep this bird running a very long time.

I know that I will have to substitue things that break with different equipment along the way. As an example I am replacing both vents with Fantastics.

I know that the bird will not remain "Pure" as it was from the factory, but I expect that I will have a wonderfull coach that will last as long as I wish to maintain it.

.

Nothing last forever,

But looking forward to many years with our NEW BIRD

Thanks

John & Pong

Penryn Ca

1983 FC35 Cat 3208t

----- Original Message -----

From: "kguns@hughes.net"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 08:09

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: RIV Report?

David,

I'd be surprised if Ross doesn't go ballistic over your post.

From what I've heard and read about the 450's is even after the fix
they have a cargo capacity of maybe a case of beer. That's not ground
up engineering. That a screw up!

It's time we faced it folks, the factory has run it`s course. It's
over, CCW has bought a Brand name and they are running with it.
That's fine, The son is not guilty of the fathers sins. It must be
disheartening to have bought into this position.

We are the people who will continue the Legacy. It won't be the guy
that drops 1.2 Million on a coach, because when he gets pissed he
sells or sues and moves on,.

Our time is now. The Wanderlodge is now a collectable, an antique, a
classic vehicle, it will remain as such because of us. Why, because
we want it to, not because of factory support.

If you call waiting 5 to 10 weeks to get a few aluminized pipes for
my exhaust factory support, then I can do with out it. I'll just
build it myself, and if you want one I'll build one for you, now
that's owner support!

Kurt Horvath
94 PT 42
10AC

PS. In our case we drive more than we camp so the slides are just in
the way. Sooner or latter your going to have an argument with that
slide

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", David Brady
wrote:
>
> But one could also argue that someone invented electronics which
> resulted in a demand for dvd players, televisions, computers,
> electric refrigerators, gps units, hi-fidelity sound systems, etc.
The
> customer then demanded all of these features in their motorhome
> which unfortunately required heavy batteries and heavy generators,
> which then resulted in heavy chassis, axles and tires; culminating
in
> a coach which overloads it's suspension. The list goes on. People
> invent things which are cool, the buying public demands cool things
> in their motorhomes, and manufacturers scramble to accommodate
> these cool things. If the manufacturers delay, they lose market
share.
> Slides are in this category.
>
> It's not the demand for features that damaged/ruined the
> motorhome manufacturer, it's the manufacturer's rush to
> accommodate these features without first doing the necessary
> engineering.
>
> BB actually stands out amongst these manufacturers by their
insistence
> on doing the necessary engineering. Every slide equipped BB was
> designed from the ground up to accommodate a slide. Never did BB
> simply take an existing bus and chop a hole in the side of it. In
all
> cases the overall superstructure from basement triangulation, to
> subframes, to side and roof construction was designed to support
> slide technology. This can not be said of every manufacturer. By
> providing slides in their coaches, BB brought it's product line into
> the 2000's and sustained (for a few additional years) it's
Wanderlodge
> business. This is what I mean by "slide-outs saved 'em".
>
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> Don Bradner wrote:
> >
> > David, as someone who moved from slides to no-slides
deliberately, I
> > would say there is a big difference between demise and ruin in
this
> > instance.
> >
> > A lot of manufacturers were dragged kicking and screaming into
the
> > slide business because they had to (because demise was the other
> > choice). Slides did a lot of damage (ruin) to many coach models,
and
> > it is likely an M450 wouldn't have weight problems without them.
We
> > would all have been better off (in my opinion) if the slide had
not
> > been invented so the public wouldn't have insisted on them.
> >
> > Don Bradner
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> >
> > On 10/28/2008 at 7:55 AM David Brady wrote:
> >
> > >Actually, slide-outs saved 'em. Imagine trying to sell
> > >a motorhome today w/o a slide out. Impossible. The
> > >buying public demands expandable rooms. There are
> > >many things that may have spelled the demise of Wanderlodge,
> > >but please, let's not single out the expandable room.
> > >
> > >David Brady
> > >'02 LXi, (Living room slide, works great)
> > >
> > >
> > >Lloyd Chaffin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> John,
> > >>
> > >> I will keep my M380 because I do like it and I have put too
much
> > >> blood sweat and tears into it now to give up. Alot of M380
owners did
> > >> give up and got rid of it. I enjoy reading about you guys who
have
> > >> the older "Real" Birds and I am kind of envious. My father-in-
law
> > >> owned 10 Birds in his life. His last was a 97 and he said he
wouldn't
> > >> buy another one because they where going to start putting
slide outs
> > >> in them and that would ruin em. Ha, he was so right!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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