Serious question

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

Dear Forum members:
For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and watch
the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys made
by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW & MERCEDES. I
understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially installed
them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally
corrected the electrical problem by making a better connection....had
nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is BULLETPROOF.
Regards,

Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....
90SP36






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the pros
> and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
> transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never
> having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak
and
> a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems and
> criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy. No
> one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the best
of
> my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might be
a
> better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
> concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with a
> Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission. Sorta
> how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going to
> find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as been
> said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I
am
> impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be
able
> to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position
will
> change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I
> could be happy with either.
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
> >
> > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
> expansion of a tale perhaps.
> >
> > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
> respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own one.
A
> PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three. Most
> PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
> entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,
> that is one reason I like a Newell.
> > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one
> intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter into
> the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
> significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a vanity
> and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record
> accounting is quite good.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Royale Conversion
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> > From: bubblerboy64
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
> >
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> > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes a
> lot of sense. I
> >
> > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long and
> >
> > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but neither
> camp
> >
> > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am
going
> >
> > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I will
> >
> > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways so
> its
> >
> > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead horse
> but
> >
> > it's fading at the back nine.
> >
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> >
> > John Heckman
> >
> > central Pa
> >
> > 1973 FC
> >
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> >
> > > John,
> >
> > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
> experience.
> >
> > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
> coaches
> >
> > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they
> have
> >
> > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is
probably
> >
> > next with identifiable components you can often replace on the
> road.
> >
> > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic
with
> >
> > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the
road,
> I
> >
> > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
> clueless.
> >
> > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different
air
> >
> > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
> >
> > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last
Bendix
> >
> > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
> >
> > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different water
> and
> >
> > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
> >
> > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but I
> >
> > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit, finish,
> >
> > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of handling
> and
> >
> > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
> >
> > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year for
> >
> > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before
they
> >
> > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
> remember
> >
> > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.
They
> >
> > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car to
> go
> >
> > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and
operated,
> >
> > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be a
> >
> > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
> >
> > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
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> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
> >
> > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
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> > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973 FC
> to
> >
> > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's and
a
> >
> > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
> >
> > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
> >
> > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
> >
> > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed out"
> >
> > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this
group
> >
> > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely
> factor
> >
> > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
> >
> > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled
and
> >
> > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to
know
> >
> > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would
buy.
> >
> > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
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