Serious question

[robert nloomas]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Jay Hannigan"
wrote:
Hi Hank Go down to western union it's on it way
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

>
> Dear Forum members:
> For those concerned about the ZF tranny........go outside and watch
> the garbage trucks zoom zoom..by...many of them have ZF trannys
made
> by a German company that makes all the trannys for BMW & MERCEDES.
I
> understand the ZF got a bad rap in 1989 when BB initially installed
> them due to a VOLTAGE PROBLEM in connecting the ZF.. BB finally
> corrected the electrical problem by making a better
connection....had
> nothing to do with the ZF tranny which in my opinion is BULLETPROOF.
> Regards,
>
> Hank Hannigan..(still in Vegas)...send money.....
> 90SP36
>
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> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> >
> > Leroy, Don't get me wrong good points have been made as to the
pros
> > and cons PT to SP. The problem really centers around the ZF
> > transmission which some have reported as inferior others as never
> > having heard of one needing rebuilt. The 3208 is said to be weak
> and
> > a "throw away" by the PT crowd. The owners report few problems
and
> > criticize the detroits for slobbering oil and poor fuel economy.
No
> > one has dates, times, or places to support any of this to the
best
> of
> > my knowledge so I must assume it is anecdotal, but hearsay might
be
> a
> > better word, Very similar to the diesel truck forms. It was
> > concluded that the best truck hands down was the Ford truck with
a
> > Dodge (cummins) motor with the Chevy (allison) transmission.
Sorta
> > how I feel personally at this point about the buses. I am going
to
> > find the one I like best. I will consider everything which as
been
> > said but I will in the end decide. As stated having seen the SP I
> am
> > impressed it's so much more then my ole FC. I two weeks I'll be
> able
> > to see touch and experience several PT's so perhaps my position
> will
> > change. At this point I am not worried. I feel pretty certain I
> > could be happy with either.
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> > >
> > > I don't understand the anecdotal evidence issue. Hearsay or
> > expansion of a tale perhaps.
> > >
> > > Differences between a PT and SP are significant in several
> > respects. SP's have a 3208 CAT I believe although I do not own
one.
> A
> > PT generally has an 8v92. SP's have two axle's and PT's three.
Most
> > PT's have front entry although there are two or three with side
> > entry. SP's have side entry as far as I know . I like side entry,
> > that is one reason I like a Newell.
> > > One needs to decide what weight and power they desire, how one
> > intends to use it and floor plan. Maintenance cost also enter
into
> > the equation. Heat, gas or hydronic. Floor plans cannot be
> > significantly different in 300 sq. ft. although Mike B has a
vanity
> > and sink in his center hall isle. Nice bus he has.
> > > Take your time, drive them and decide from there. A full record
> > accounting is quite good.
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> > > Dahlonega, GA
> > > Royale Conversion
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, bubblerboy64 wrote:
> > > From: bubblerboy64
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Serious question
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:02 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Brad, Thanks so much for that heads up which makes
a
> > lot of sense. I
> > >
> > > will factor that into the equation which is getting very long
and
> > >
> > > complex :-) The debate continues about the PT vs SP but
neither
> > camp
> > >
> > > has much in the way of more then anecdotal information. I am
> going
> > >
> > > to drive several of each and pick the one I like the best. I
will
> > >
> > > look at the Newell but its more money then the others anyways
so
> > its
> > >
> > > a dark horse in the race. Not say that it's totally a dead
horse
> > but
> > >
> > > it's fading at the back nine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Heckman
> > >
> > > central Pa
> > >
> > > 1973 FC
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > John,
> > >
> > > > As a former Newell owner, I'll give you a little of my
> > experience.
> > >
> > > If you have trouble on the road, the easiest, most universal
> > coaches
> > >
> > > to be fixed on route are Marathon, MCI and Prevost because they
> > have
> > >
> > > so much in common with trucks and OTR buses. Blue Bird is
> probably
> > >
> > > next with identifiable components you can often replace on the
> > road.
> > >
> > > Newell is more of a proprietary coach. If you have a mechanic
> with
> > >
> > > experience with Newell coaches, you're fine at home. On the
> road,
> > I
> > >
> > > learned the hard way that most truck, bus and RV shops are
> > clueless.
> > >
> > > Just the air-leveling system on the Newell had three different
> air
> > >
> > > tanks, automatic road, automatic park and manual park leveling
> > >
> > > controls with I don't know how many valves. I got the last
> Bendix
> > >
> > > air cruise control sending unit and the last air bags for that
> > >
> > > model. Air operated doors, different suspension, different
water
> > and
> > >
> > > climate control systems, they're all different from jsut about
> > >
> > > everyone elses'. They're generally high-quality components, but
I
> > >
> > > think Blue Bird on average has the edge on interior fit,
finish,
> > >
> > > materials and quality. In my opinion, Newell's ease of
handling
> > and
> > >
> > > drivability was superior to both Blue Birds I have owned.
> > >
> > > > If you can make a pilgrimage to Miami, Oklahoma once a year
for
> > >
> > > regular maintenance, you could solve a lot of problems before
> they
> > >
> > > happen from filters, lubed hidden parts, etc. The guys who
> > remember
> > >
> > > making your Newell would probably be the ones working on it.
> They
> > >
> > > have a nice overnight park. They'll even let you borrow a car
to
> > go
> > >
> > > into town. Last I knew, they were still family-owned and
> operated,
> > >
> > > great people, great service, but like Mac users, you have to be
a
> > >
> > > sold-out Newell Kool-aid drinker to get the most out of your
> > >
> > > coach. Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ .
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ ...: jehdds@: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:48:27
> > >
> > > +0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Serious question
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> > >
> > > > As some of you may know I am looking to move up from my 1973
FC
> > to
> > >
> > > something a little newer. I am actively looking at PT's SP's
and
> a
> > >
> > > very nice Newell coach. My concern is my relationship to the BB
> > >
> > > fraternity of owners if on the off chance I would buy a Newell
> > >
> > > coach ? And I haven't seen the coach as yet so I can't say how
> > >
> > > serious I am about the Newell but I would hate to be "tossed
out"
> > >
> > > or "unwelcome" in the BB community. I am serious. I hold this
> group
> > >
> > > and the friends I have made in such regard that I would likely
> > factor
> > >
> > > out the Newell and not consider it at all if I was to be
> > >
> > > excommunicated from the BB group functions. How's this handled
> and
> > >
> > > what should I expect? This is a little premature but I want to
> know
> > >
> > > so that I factor it into my decision making about what I would
> buy.
> > >
> > > John Heckmancentral Pa 1973 FC at
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