Annual Maintenance / Repair Cost

[Ron Thompson]

Thanks Pete thats a pretty good run down. Rates might be a little less around here (Houston) but I would not count on it. Thanks again for your input. Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx. 1995 WLWB 42' (cockyfox@...) --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Pete Masterson wrote: From: Pete Masterson Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Annual Maintenance / Repair Cost To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:26 PM The Series 60 takes approximately 40 quarts (10 gallons) of oil with a change and filter replacement. The oil to use is one made for heavy duty diesel trucks, 10-40 wt. Delo (Chevron) or Rotella (Shell) are suitable. It should be done annually or every 10,000 miles (or so) whichever comes first. There are also some synthetic alternatives, but I haven't used them. There is possibly a slight MPG increase obtainable with a synthetic -- but the change frequency remains the same (so it costs more). I've never _just_ had the oil changed when I've taken my coach into a heavy duty truck/bus/RV shop, so it's hard to separate out the cost of just the oil changed. I also had the transmission fluid changed and the transmission fluid filters replaced during the service. That's somewhat more labor intensive than just an oil change. (And after I had it done this year, I realized I'd had it done the previous year -- and it's actually a 3-year cycle, so I wasted some money on that.) The transmission should use "TranSynd" synthetic transmission fluid (of the appropriate weight for your transmission) . Since the stuff is used for 3 years, the synthetic makes good sense. I've also asked the service provider tolubricateall chassis fittings (that they can find), check and renew all fluids, etc. So, I've paid for that labor as well. The service I had done at a local shop was $832 (SF Bay Area labor rates) that included the oil change, transmission change, and other lube and services. The next "regular" service was done at CCW in Riverside ... but there was a long list of minor to not-so-minor gripes to attend to and that bill exceeded $5000 -- but the muffler (with installation) for about $1200 and the repair of a broken shock mount (over $1000) was included on that bill. I'd guess the lube and oil stuff was about $1200 of the total bill. I also paid to have the bottom rear 1/3 of the bus and engine steam cleaned in that bill (it makes it easier to work on). ============ ========= ========= ========= ======== Pete Masterson, Author of Book Design and Production: A Guide for Authors and Publishers "Aeonix1@Mac.com" Aeonix Publishing Group http://www.aeonix. com ============ ========= ========= ========= ======== On Nov 20, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Ron Thompson wrote: Pete, Curious how much it costs you to have the oil changed in your series 60? And do you also have the generator changed at the same time? I haven't changed my oil so far since I have had this RV since I have only put about 1200 miles on it and the oil had been changed at the dealers when I bought it. Appreciate your answer, since I need to probably change my oil just due to its age in the motors. I have been so busy with other things that I have not made any trips at all to speak of. Just acouple of 400 mile round trippers. Maybe three of them. Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx. 1995 WLWB 42' ("cockyfox@sbcglobal.net") --- OnThu, 11/20/08, Pete Masterson<"aeonix1@mac.com">wrote: From: Pete Masterson <"aeonix1@mac.com"> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Annual Maintenance / Repair Cost To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:08 AM I'd say the $3000 figure will more than cover the routine annual maintenance (without tires). I've paid a shop to perform oil changes and other lubrication and filter replacement. The typical service bill has been about $1000 to $1500, depending on the variety of items needing attention. This basic oil-change and lubrication service (and fixing any minor running gear gripes) is done annually, usually in the spring before I do any lengthy trips. I'm probably facing a brake lining change sometime soon -- and I'll call around for estimates for that. The repair/upgrade situation is harder. If you find a cream puff that you are perfectly happy with in it's current condition, you might spend relatively little on cosmetic repairs or upgrades. In my case, at the time of purchase, I budgeted another $20,000 for "unexpected" repairs and upgrades. -- In the end, it wasn't a bad estimate but I haven't totaled things up recently to see where I stand. "Unexpected repairs" included replacing the radiator core; aligning the wheels and replacing a bent and broken Blue Ox True Center steering device; replacing the house batteries that had been abused while the bus was in various dealers hands for 7 months before I bought it; and repairing a failed upper shock-mount on the street side front axle. I have a misbehaving inverter that I'll have to remove and (more fully) troubleshoot -- I'm assuming that I'll probably have to replace it (I'll most probably get a remanufactured unit). A semi-unexpected repair was the replacement of the muffler. Upgrades include remodeling the forward salon to a more "office like" arrangement (with desk and filing cabinets) to accommodate my business while on the road. Replacing the carpet (and kitchen tile) with bamboo wood flooring. Recovering some of the fabric on the window valances and recovering the worn wall paper on the walls. There are also a not unusual handful of minor glitches (bad switch here, vent fan motor there) that require dealing with from time to time. Most of these aren't dreadfully expensive, but some leeway in the maintenance budget is required to cover these items. Every Wanderlodge has its share of electrical glitches to troubleshoot. (I suspect that this is the case with most any older RV -- but WLs have more systems, hence more that might go wrong.) I believe this is inherent in the wire-run length of the 12 VCD systems. The 120 VAC systems don't seem to ever cause much trouble (other than somewhat predictable issues with inverters and/or transfer switches). Also, as the vehicle ages, various appliances (especially TVs and Microwaves) may need upgrade/replacement -- but those occur on much the same schedule as your home appliances. I doubt that a Prevost would be much different in its overall reliability. Many carry very similar appliances as Wanderlodges -- and the physics that cause 12 VDC to be unreliable in a 40' vehicle applies equally to any 40' bus. Keep in mind that you can do many of the maintenance things for yourself. Often it's a matter of time vs. money. If you have the time, you can DIY -- if you prefer to spend the money, then it will cost more. I do the basic oil-change and lube job with a shop because I really have no desire to deal with nearly 10 gallons of oil drained from the engine. I'd rather have a shop take care if it. I have done my own oil changes for the generator -- as it only takes a couple of gallons of oil -- well within my capability of handling. I also note that I don't have a good place to work on my coach (I park it on the street in front of my house). That's a factor in what I decide to do for my self vs. what I pay others to do. Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 "aeonix1%40mac.com" On the road at Lockhart, TX On Nov 19, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Dave Mayo wrote: > In reading these type forums one would get the impression that a > motorhome is constantly broken and being repaired. That is the nature > of this type forum to discuss mechanical issues. > > I'm interested in getting an idea of the ballpark annual cost for non- > routine repair for a mid 1990's Wanderlodge. I am also interested in > a ballpark cost of annual routine maintenance. > > In planning a budget should one plan on $3,000 per year; $5,000 per > year; $10,000 or more. > > Outside of the cost of purchase, depreciation, etc. how rich does > one's blood need to be to afford the maintenance on a Bluebird. > I understand that this will vary based upon the age of the coach and > its condition. I'm just doing research to understand what is required > to be able to own and maintain a Bluebird. > > Also, would the maintenance and repair cost between a Bluebird and a > Prevost be similar or would one expect the Prevost to be higher. >