Federal smog laws GregO'Connor

[freewill2008]

I found another copy of the proposed California ARB rule changes
posted at the UC Davis Web site and dated June 3, 2008. The scope
statement reads:

"Proposed Statewide Truck and Bus Regulation Scope

- Diesel vehicles operating in California;
- Trucks, buses, yard trucks, and other interstate, intrastate,
international, and other vehicles greater than 14,000 GVWR and
shuttle buses;
- Any person, business, or government agency who owns, leases, rents,
or sells a vehicle in California;
- EXCLUDES emergency vehicles, military tactical vehicles, AND
PERSONAL USE MOTORHOMES; [emphasise mine]
- School buses subject only to PM requirements."

For the complete document see:
http://airquality.ucdavis.edu/pages/even...LINDNER.pd
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Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> Read this in the roadside inspection law:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/enf/hdvip/13_ccr_2180-2189.pdf
>
> "(16) "Heavy-duty vehicle" means a motor vehicle having a
manufacturer's
> maximum gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) greater than 6,000
pounds,
> except passenger cars."
>
> I suspect that's the primary loophole. In California, our private
coaches are classed a "housecars" which is why they are treated as
passenger cars for registration, driver's license, etc.
>
> I think you already noted that we are specifically exempt from the
periodic inspection requirement.
>
> You assume because you fall under the rules that we all do. Your
challenge: document a case where this has happened with a privately
registered housecar.
>
> On 12/8/2008 at 2:06 AM timvasqz wrote:
>
> >Curt, there are more than 8 new programs and requirements. Nov 11
> >CARB meeting is only one more to make 9. No diesel engine , even
a
> >lawn tractor is exempt from excessive smoking now. Motorhomes may
> >be exempt from Mandated Testing programs but not emissions and
road
> >side review.
> >
> >
> > I can guarantee that a puff of smoke from a motorhome or pickup
> >truck is going to send a pissed off trucker to the 5 digit #smog
(in
> >California from most cell phones) reporting line.
> >
> >the retrofit filter ccw has is between $10,000 and 20,000 per
> >schoolbus (or who ever did the Alhambra busses charged that). The
> >filter only buys time as some of the programs have other
> >requirements. The Federal emissions programs are only
accelerated
> >in California and comming to a state near FortValley soon. I wish
> >CCW was public, been just dollar cost averaging last years picks.
> >would be nice to bet on a winner.
> >
> >I posted Links earlier but my association got Tim moderated and I
> >guess my post didnt pass, maybe this one will be held up also. Tim
> >shouldnt leave his Yahoo account signed on.
> >GregoryO'Connor of Tim$Greg
> >94ptCa
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Curt Sprenger"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Don,
> >>
> >> I read the same information. Our old coaches are exempt.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Don Bradner wrote:
> >>
> >> > Chris, because of your position you should know more about
> >this than any
> >> > of us, but as far as I can tell, the below is FUD. Please
refer
> >to an exact
> >> > cite, not a massive website, if you know differently.
> >> >
> >> > What I find is that the ARB is meeting next week, possibly to
> >adopt new
> >> > regulations which can be found at
> >> > http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/truckbus08/appa.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Pertinent info:
> >> >
> >> > "Adopt new section 2025, in title 13, article 4.5, chapter 1,
> >California
> >> > Code of Regulations
> >> > (CCR) to read as follows: (Note that the entire text of
section
> >2025 set
> >> > forth below is
> >> > new language proposed to be added to the California Code of
> >Regulations.)
> >> > Section 2025. Regulation to Reduce Emissions of Diesel
> >Particulate Matter,
> >> > Oxides of Nitrogen and Other Criteria Pollutants, and
Greenhouse
> >> > Gases from In-Use Heavy-Duty Diesel-Fueled Vehicles"
> >> >
> >> > "© Exemptions
> >> > This regulation does not apply to:"
> >> >
> >> > "(11) Motor homes for non-commercial private use."
> >> >
> >> > Please, please tell me how I am misreading this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/7/2008 at 1:58 PM Chris Fogleman wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Hello BB family, regarding the emission laws rthere are
> >compliance date
> >> > >for
> >> > >various engine years , And also if the engines cant meet the
> >compliance
> >> > >you will need to repower are scrap , This all started with
the
> >federal
> >> > >government. Makeing california clean up the Air quality and
if
> >California
> >> > >cant Comply.The Federal Government will hold funding. That
> >California
> >> > needs
> >> > >for Road work and etc,This is why Arnold the Governor and
AQMD
> >and all the
> >> > >other agencies have such a push on getting the Air cleaned
up.
> >Go to
> >> > >this
> >> > >site for more info http://WWW.arb.ca.gov
> >> > >
> >> > >Chris E. Fogleman
> >> > >
> >> > >Complete Coach Works
> >> > >
> >> > >Alternative Fuel Sales Manager
> >> > >
> >> > >Cell: (951) 836-6520
> >> > >
> >> > >http://www.thelegacyreturns.com <http://www.thelegacyreturns.com/>
> >> > >
> >> > >cfogleman@
> >> > >
> >> > >cfogleman@
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _____
> >> > >
> >> > >From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > >[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >40yahoogroups.com>]
> >> > On Behalf Of Don Bradner
> >> > >Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:16 PM
> >> > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > >40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Federal smog laws GregO'Connor
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >I know, and Greg is certainly correct when he says that
> >California is
> >> > >employing such standards quicker than Federal, but the
question
> >is about
> >> > >something in Federal (or California, for that matter) rules
> >that will make
> >> > >us comply with smog rules (which would mean repowering, or
> >junking).
> >> > >
> >> > >On 12/7/2008 at 8:28 AM Pete Masterson wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>FWIW, ULSD is the only diesel sold in CA for the last couple
> >of years...
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Pete Masterson
> >> > >>'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> >> > >>aeonix1@mac. 2540mac.com>>
> >com
> >> > >>On the road at Newberry Springs, CA
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:31 AM, Don Bradner wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Greg, can you provide a cite for this? I spent extensive
> >time with
> >> > >>> Google and could not come up with any federal requirements
> >that did
> >> > >>> not involve one of the following:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> New engines
> >> > >>> ULSD fuel
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Neither of those would adversely affect my coach, so I
would
> >like
> >> > >>> to know if you have some hard-to-find information
concerning
> >> > >>> federal rules that would, in fact, affect vintage stuff?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Don Bradner
> >> > >>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> >> > >>> Posting today by satellite from Gladewater, TX
> >> > >>> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On 12/6/2008 at 5:03 PM timvasqz wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>> Diesel
> >> > >>>> motorhomes with "private registration" are exempt from
many
> >CA smog
> >> > >>>> requirements but will be hit blind sighted when fed
> >regulations take
> >> > >>>> hold.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ------------------------------------
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >> > >>
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> >>
> >> --
> >> Curt Sprenger
> >> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> >> Anaheim Hills, CA
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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