Explosive Post… Propane Grill

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi Tom:

I have had to have LP hoses made up to connect the Coach quick connect to a
grill. I change the grill in put piping by removing the "bottle" regulator,
installing a valve, (simple T handle shut off type,) I use the new T handle
valve to regulate the flame in the grill, Low/Medium/High. The other end of
the hose is connected to the male end of the quick connect. Easy enough to
do and can be done safely. Remember to check the LP at the grill for leaks
with the T handle valve in the off position. Oh there is also a huge shut
off valve on most Birds for the grill regulator that may need to be opened.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 02:20 AM 5/26/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Ralph,
>
>You said,
>
>Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
>as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
>the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
>and should be ready for use.
>
>This all makes sense. I think where I ran into problems and got confused
>is this. It seems to me that all the small portable BBQ's that you buy are
>designed to work off the portable propane bottles. It also seems that have
>the built into them the Primary and Secondary regulator. If you try to
>work them off the the stock BBQ line from the bus, I could never get a
>good flame. So I think NH Bill's original question is how do we modify the
>new BBQ's that they will be safe and still work off of the OEM BBQ grill line?
>
>Tom Sorrentino
>1987 PT 38
>Bedford Hills, NY
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > The regulator is responsible for reducing the container's variable high
> > pressure that
> > is created by the "boiling" of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by
> > the individual
> > appliances.
> > To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure,
> > regulators are
> > required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is
> > required to be a
> > two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device
> > that incorpo-rates
> > both regulators, or two separate components.
> > The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The
> > second-stage
> > regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to
> > 14 inches
> > water column).
> >
> > Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
> > as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
> > the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
> > and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of
> > water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances
> > being in use.
> >
> > If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved
> > "yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Explosive Post Propane Grill
> > >
> > >I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
> > >stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on
> > >sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great
> > >and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot
> fast
> > >and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up
> > >nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
> > >
> > >The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
> > >Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a
> > >high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator
> > >itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's
> > >dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> > >
> > >I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted
> to do
> > >and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in
> > >making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> > >
> > >I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
> > >specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is
> > >the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the
> > >GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> > >
> > >More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
> > >propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting
> > >sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to
> > >me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal,
> > >but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> > >
> > >With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
> > >outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a
> > >low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently
> > >this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to
> > >run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential
> installations.
> > >
> > >"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
> > >does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately,
> many
> > >of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use
> > >1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT
> > >(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a
> limit to
> > >the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a
> > >fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low
> > >pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of
> 3/8"ID. The
> > >amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased
> by a
> > >factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are
> > >greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet
> > >low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very
> > >reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association
> > >approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
> propane gas."
> > >
> > >http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> > >
> > >So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> > >
> > >• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> > >• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> > >• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> > >• Install control valve between regulator and grill
> > >
> > >If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
> > >constructive criticism are always welcome.
> > >
> > >Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> > >
> > >NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> > >
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Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma