A little of subject but something of interest

[Tom Warner]

Jack I still remember the gas shortage scare of the 1970s when I was going
to college. Everyone forcasted the gloom and doom of the future and said we
would all be commuting on skate boards and bicycles powered by rubber
bands. Americans never learn. We went back to our old wasteful habits again
and the environmentalists put up a smoke screen that stopped development of
refineries etc. When will we every learn.

I want a new Mercedes Diesel but nice old New York is thinking about
banning them. You already cannot get a VW passat diesel.

tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 01:56 PM 6/16/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Yeah Blair, I got the book you recommended, "The Long Emergency" and
>just started reading it.
>It will be a fight to get people into electric cars! Remember about
>10 or 15 years ago, GM(?) brought one out, and the Feds said that by
>the year 2005, 25% of the cars on the road would be electric? Where
>are they??????
>Nuclear Power? I think that France, Switzerland Japan, and other
>countrys also, use it almost 100%. Difference there is that they have
>a "Standard" plant, almost like buying one 'Off The Shelf' at WalMart.
> Here, each and every plant was designed and built from the ground up,
>and everything had to be tested, re-tested & approved by the NRC.
>The Greenies have done so well with thier scare tactics that no
>nuclear can be built in the future.
>Refinerys? Wern't quite a few closed in the Houston area a number of
>years ago?? Why can't they be reopened?
>But that would not help California much, as we have standards that
>require our Gasoline to be refined here with certian additives, so we
>cannot import or export any of our gas.
>Jack Smith
>1973FC31
>SoCal
>============================================================
>
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair wrote:
> > Well, that's a yes and a no.....please read the following, Blair
> >
> > "Boone Pickens Warns of Petroleum Production Peak
> >
> > >Legendary Oklahoma energy magnate, T. Boone Pickens will be 77
>years old
> > >
> > >this month, and maybe because of that, he feels free to speak what's on
> > >his
> > >mind; and he did to an audience of alternative fuel advocates in Palm
> > >Springs today.
> > >
> > >Addressing the 11th National Clean Cities conference, hosted by the
> > >former
> > >mayor of Palm Springs and introduced by former U.S. Energy Secretary
> > >John
> > >Herrington (1984-1989), Boone, as his friends refer to him, was candid
> > >in
> > >his views of wind energy, nuclear power, natural gas, and in particular
> > >petroleum.
> > >
> > >While he acknowledges wind power is cheap today, he, as well as
> > >former-Secretary Herrington, questioned the contribution it can make to
> > >the
> > >nation's future energy needs. He finds nuclear power attractive and
> > >believes natural gas should be used to power our transportation fleets
> > >rather than to generate electricity. In general, he was very upbeat
> > >about
> > >the prospects for alternative transportation fuels.
> > >
> > >But on the future of petroleum, he was less sanguine.
> > >
> > >"Let me tell you some facts the way I see it," he began. "Global oil
> > >(production) is 84 million barrels (a day). I don't believe you can get
> > >it
> > >any more than 84 million barrels. I don't care what (Saudi Crown
>Prince)
> > >
> > >Abdullah, (Russian Premier Vladimir) Putin or anybody else says about
> > >oil
> > >reserves or production. I think they are on decline in the biggest oil
> > >fields in the world today and I know what's it like once you turn the
> > >corner and start declining, it's a tread mill that you just can't keep
> > >up
> > >with.
> > >
> > >"So, when you start adding the reserves in these countries, you're not
> > >even
> > >replacing what you're taking out.
> > >
> > >"Let me take you to another situation quickly. 84 million barrels a day
> > >times 365 days is 30 billion barrels of oil a year that we're
>depleting.
> > >
> > >All of the world's (oil) industry doesn't even come close to replacing
> > >30
> > >billion barrels of oil. We don't spend enough money to even give
> > >ourselves
> > >a chance to replace 30 billion barrels. It may be because the prospects
> > >are
> > >not there. I rather imagine that's what the answer is to that.
> > >
> > >"So, if you accept that 84 million barrels a day is all the world can
> > >(produce), and then look at refining capacity, I think it's just a
> > >coincidence that refining capacity... world capacity... is 84 million
> > >barrels a day. So, we're in balance: 84, 84.
> > >
> > >"Now you see the projections for the fourth quarter of '05, I mean like
> > >tomorrow; it is 86 to 87 million barrels of oil a day required. China
> > >(and)
> > >India (are) growing fast. Our economy is going down a little bit,
>but it
> > >
> > >doesn't seem to be shutting off demand for gasoline, oil, natural gas,
> > >whatever. But around the world... just assume that the (U.S.)
>economy is
> > >
> > >slowing, but China is still ramped up; it is still 86, 87 million for
> > >the
> > >fourth quarter.
> > >
> > >"Now we've got some pretty good inventory, those will be... I think..
> > >they'll be gone in the third quarter. I can't wait to see how this is
> > >all
> > >going to play out.
> > >
> > >"Don't let the day-to-day NYMEX (New York Mercantile Exchange) fool
>you,
> > >
> > >because it can turn and go the other direction. I may be wrong. Some of
> > >the
> > >experts say we'll be down to $35 oil by the end of the year. I think
> > >it'll
> > >be $60 oil by the end of the year. You're going to see $3 gasoline
> > >twelve
> > >months from today, or some time during that period. I know you've
> > >already
> > >experienced it in California. I am not that much out of it... But
>in the
> > >
> > >Midwest you've probably got $2.20 today. That's the way I see it
> > >unfolding".
> > >
> > >Pickens went to explain that if he were Energy "Czar", he'd immediately
> > >begin to phase out the use of natural gas in electric power generation
> > >and
> > >encourage the construction of more coal-fired and nuclear power plants.
> > >He'd use the natural gas to power transportation instead.
> > >
> > >Speaking of the various alternative fuels, he stated, "I don't
>think any
> > >of
> > >them can miss. I think some will be further out than others.
>Hydrogen, I
> > >
> > >think, is going to take a long time". Speaking before an audience with
> > >vested interests in ethanol, biodiesel, propane and compressed natural
> > >gas
> > >as transportation fuels, he added that he believes all the alternatives
> > >will work.
> > >
> > >"We're going to have to use shale oil the western slope of the Rockies.
> > >That's going to happen. The technology is just about here", he noted,
> > >adding that he blames both Republican and Democratic
>administrations for
> > >
> > >not engaging in long term planning to meet the nation's future energy
> > >needs.
> > >
> > >"It's all getting very, very tight. We're just about there. The sixty
> > >percent we import now (of petroleum), is about all we can get from the
> > >countries that export". He cited the example of Venezuela where its
> > >"screwball" leader, Hugo Chavez has pledged to not sell any additional
> > >oil
> > >to the United States.
> > >
> > >"The majors, they talk about plenty of oil and that they can produce
> > >more,
> > >but if you look at ExxonMobile, ChevronTexaco, BP (British Petroleum),
> > >all
> > >the production (is) going down every year. They don't replace and they
> > >don't add to production, but they say there's plenty of oil around.
> > >
> > >"Now why would they say that? One of the chief economists with one of
> > >the
> > >major oil companies... I was at a conference where he was... we were
> > >talking and I asked, why do they say that? And he said, can you imagine
> > >what would happen if one of these major oil company's CEO's got up and
> > >made
> > >a speech and he said, 'We're running out of oil'? I said there'd be
> > >panic
> > >and he said, 'That's right. They're not going to make the statement.
> > >They're going to say there's plenty of oil around'".
> > >
> > >"I know that sounds rather simple, but that's the best answer I've
> > >had...
> > >why they keep saying that there's plenty of oil around. I can't
>tell you
> > >
> > >positive, but I am just so sure that we have peaked and from here
>on the
> > >
> > >demand side that we are going to have a hard time making the trip on
> > >fuel.
> > >I know demand will come down with price. That will happen".
> > >
> > >He answered several audience questions and predicted that if the summer
> > >is
> > >hot in the Southeast that natural gas prices will go to $10. "Natural
> > >gas
> > >is in decline", he stated, concluding that eventually the market will
> > >sort
> > >out the winners and losers".
> > >
> > >After his remarks, EV World asked Mr. Pickens if he agrees with
> > >Houston-based investment banker Matthew Simmons that Saudi Arabia's oil
> > >fields may be on the verge of decline and he replied that he did agree
> > >him.
> > >
> > >If Pickens and Simmons are correct, then Crown Prince Abdullah's
> > >promises
> > >to raise production over the next ten years to 15 million barrels a day
> > >may
> > >be just wishful thinking, in which case, Saudi Arabia's role as swing
> > >producer and oil price stabilizer may be a thing of the past. Oil
>prices
> > >
> > >will begin to experience unprecedented volatility, which is likely to
> > >place
> > >serious stresses on a world largely unprepared for the end of cheap
> > >fossil
> > >fuels. The road from here on will be a bumpy one."
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:40 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote:
> > >mikes got it right..randy
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mike Hohnstein
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] A little of subject but
>something of
> > > interest
> > >
> > >
> > > That's all good but the real problem is the lack of refining
>capacity
> > > in this country. The "not in my back yard" syndrome is the problem
> > > there, not to mention restrictive regulations meant to save the
>world or
> > > something.
> > > Mike Hohnstein
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: DAY8293A@C...
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] A little of subject but
>something of
> > > interest
> > >
> > >
> > > 55 MAY BE GOOD FOR OUR COACHES, BUT THE BIG RIGS USE
> > > MORE FUEL
> > > GOING 55. I HAD A 4 SPEED CHEVY VEGA SET UP WITH A HIGHWAY
>SPEED
> > > (70 MPH)
> > > REAR END, AND WAS GETTING 30 MPG. MUCH MORE THAN WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
> > > WHEN PRESIDENT "JIMMAY" LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 55 MPH, I
> > > COULD NO
> > > LONGER MAKE IT UP HILLS IN FOURTH GEAR, AND HAD TO DOWN SHIFT TO
> > > THIRD,,, JUST
> > > LIKE THE BIG TRUCKS HAD TO DO,,, AND DOWN WENT MY FUEL MILEAGE !!!
> > > IT HELPS SOME VEHICLES TO GO SLOW, AND OTHERS CAN CRUISE
>AT HIGHER
> > > SPEEDS AND DO BETTER. I CAN GET 30 MPG IN MY CORVETTE AT 70
>MPH. (I
> > > USED TO GET
> > > 36 MPG IN MY 93 VETTE)
> > > I THINK PEOPLE WILL SLOW DOWN TO SAVE GAS IF IT WORKS FOR
>THEIR
> > > VEHICLE,,, I KNOW I SLOW DOWN,,, WE DON'T NEED THE GOV'T ON
>OUR CASE
> > > ANYMORE.
> > > WHAT WE DO NEED IS TO LIFT THE NICKLE A GALLON FUEL TAX
>THAT "SLICK
> > > WILLY" PUT ON FUEL WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE,,,, DAY, IN JAX FLA
> > > ,,,,83PT-40,,,
> > >
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