A little of subject but something of interest

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

--IN Australia most of the people use LPG in cars..much cheaper!! My
old toyota is dual fuel; petrol and LPG just pull up to the pump
and fill up with LPG..no big deal here we are way behind.
later
Hank Hannigan
90SP and lovin it!!!!
- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> Jack I still remember the gas shortage scare of the 1970s when I
was going
> to college. Everyone forcasted the gloom and doom of the future
and said we
> would all be commuting on skate boards and bicycles powered by
rubber
> bands. Americans never learn. We went back to our old wasteful
habits again
> and the environmentalists put up a smoke screen that stopped
development of
> refineries etc. When will we every learn.
>
> I want a new Mercedes Diesel but nice old New York is thinking
about
> banning them. You already cannot get a VW passat diesel.
>
> tom
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 01:56 PM 6/16/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> >Yeah Blair, I got the book you recommended, "The Long Emergency"
and
> >just started reading it.
> >It will be a fight to get people into electric cars! Remember
about
> >10 or 15 years ago, GM(?) brought one out, and the Feds said that
by
> >the year 2005, 25% of the cars on the road would be electric?
Where
> >are they??????
> >Nuclear Power? I think that France, Switzerland Japan, and other
> >countrys also, use it almost 100%. Difference there is that they
have
> >a "Standard" plant, almost like buying one 'Off The Shelf' at
WalMart.
> > Here, each and every plant was designed and built from the
ground up,
> >and everything had to be tested, re-tested & approved by the NRC.
> >The Greenies have done so well with thier scare tactics that no
> >nuclear can be built in the future.
> >Refinerys? Wern't quite a few closed in the Houston area a
number of
> >years ago?? Why can't they be reopened?
> >But that would not help California much, as we have standards that
> >require our Gasoline to be refined here with certian additives,
so we
> >cannot import or export any of our gas.
> >Jack Smith
> >1973FC31
> >SoCal
> >============================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Blair
wrote:
> > > Well, that's a yes and a no.....please read the following,
Blair
> > >
> > > "Boone Pickens Warns of Petroleum Production Peak
> > >
> > > >Legendary Oklahoma energy magnate, T. Boone Pickens will be 77
> >years old
> > > >
> > > >this month, and maybe because of that, he feels free to speak
what's on
> > > >his
> > > >mind; and he did to an audience of alternative fuel advocates
in Palm
> > > >Springs today.
> > > >
> > > >Addressing the 11th National Clean Cities conference, hosted
by the
> > > >former
> > > >mayor of Palm Springs and introduced by former U.S. Energy
Secretary
> > > >John
> > > >Herrington (1984-1989), Boone, as his friends refer to him,
was candid
> > > >in
> > > >his views of wind energy, nuclear power, natural gas, and in
particular
> > > >petroleum.
> > > >
> > > >While he acknowledges wind power is cheap today, he, as well
as
> > > >former-Secretary Herrington, questioned the contribution it
can make to
> > > >the
> > > >nation's future energy needs. He finds nuclear power
attractive and
> > > >believes natural gas should be used to power our
transportation fleets
> > > >rather than to generate electricity. In general, he was very
upbeat
> > > >about
> > > >the prospects for alternative transportation fuels.
> > > >
> > > >But on the future of petroleum, he was less sanguine.
> > > >
> > > >"Let me tell you some facts the way I see it," he
began. "Global oil
> > > >(production) is 84 million barrels (a day). I don't believe
you can get
> > > >it
> > > >any more than 84 million barrels. I don't care what (Saudi
Crown
> >Prince)
> > > >
> > > >Abdullah, (Russian Premier Vladimir) Putin or anybody else
says about
> > > >oil
> > > >reserves or production. I think they are on decline in the
biggest oil
> > > >fields in the world today and I know what's it like once you
turn the
> > > >corner and start declining, it's a tread mill that you just
can't keep
> > > >up
> > > >with.
> > > >
> > > >"So, when you start adding the reserves in these countries,
you're not
> > > >even
> > > >replacing what you're taking out.
> > > >
> > > >"Let me take you to another situation quickly. 84 million
barrels a day
> > > >times 365 days is 30 billion barrels of oil a year that we're
> >depleting.
> > > >
> > > >All of the world's (oil) industry doesn't even come close to
replacing
> > > >30
> > > >billion barrels of oil. We don't spend enough money to even
give
> > > >ourselves
> > > >a chance to replace 30 billion barrels. It may be because the
prospects
> > > >are
> > > >not there. I rather imagine that's what the answer is to that.
> > > >
> > > >"So, if you accept that 84 million barrels a day is all the
world can
> > > >(produce), and then look at refining capacity, I think it's
just a
> > > >coincidence that refining capacity... world capacity... is 84
million
> > > >barrels a day. So, we're in balance: 84, 84.
> > > >
> > > >"Now you see the projections for the fourth quarter of '05, I
mean like
> > > >tomorrow; it is 86 to 87 million barrels of oil a day
required. China
> > > >(and)
> > > >India (are) growing fast. Our economy is going down a little
bit,
> >but it
> > > >
> > > >doesn't seem to be shutting off demand for gasoline, oil,
natural gas,
> > > >whatever. But around the world... just assume that the (U.S.)
> >economy is
> > > >
> > > >slowing, but China is still ramped up; it is still 86, 87
million for
> > > >the
> > > >fourth quarter.
> > > >
> > > >"Now we've got some pretty good inventory, those will be... I
think..
> > > >they'll be gone in the third quarter. I can't wait to see how
this is
> > > >all
> > > >going to play out.
> > > >
> > > >"Don't let the day-to-day NYMEX (New York Mercantile
Exchange) fool
> >you,
> > > >
> > > >because it can turn and go the other direction. I may be
wrong. Some of
> > > >the
> > > >experts say we'll be down to $35 oil by the end of the year.
I think
> > > >it'll
> > > >be $60 oil by the end of the year. You're going to see $3
gasoline
> > > >twelve
> > > >months from today, or some time during that period. I know
you've
> > > >already
> > > >experienced it in California. I am not that much out of it...
But
> >in the
> > > >
> > > >Midwest you've probably got $2.20 today. That's the way I see
it
> > > >unfolding".
> > > >
> > > >Pickens went to explain that if he were Energy "Czar", he'd
immediately
> > > >begin to phase out the use of natural gas in electric power
generation
> > > >and
> > > >encourage the construction of more coal-fired and nuclear
power plants.
> > > >He'd use the natural gas to power transportation instead.
> > > >
> > > >Speaking of the various alternative fuels, he stated, "I don't
> >think any
> > > >of
> > > >them can miss. I think some will be further out than others.
> >Hydrogen, I
> > > >
> > > >think, is going to take a long time". Speaking before an
audience with
> > > >vested interests in ethanol, biodiesel, propane and
compressed natural
> > > >gas
> > > >as transportation fuels, he added that he believes all the
alternatives
> > > >will work.
> > > >
> > > >"We're going to have to use shale oil the western slope of
the Rockies.
> > > >That's going to happen. The technology is just about here",
he noted,
> > > >adding that he blames both Republican and Democratic
> >administrations for
> > > >
> > > >not engaging in long term planning to meet the nation's
future energy
> > > >needs.
> > > >
> > > >"It's all getting very, very tight. We're just about there.
The sixty
> > > >percent we import now (of petroleum), is about all we can get
from the
> > > >countries that export". He cited the example of Venezuela
where its
> > > >"screwball" leader, Hugo Chavez has pledged to not sell any
additional
> > > >oil
> > > >to the United States.
> > > >
> > > >"The majors, they talk about plenty of oil and that they can
produce
> > > >more,
> > > >but if you look at ExxonMobile, ChevronTexaco, BP (British
Petroleum),
> > > >all
> > > >the production (is) going down every year. They don't replace
and they
> > > >don't add to production, but they say there's plenty of oil
around.
> > > >
> > > >"Now why would they say that? One of the chief economists
with one of
> > > >the
> > > >major oil companies... I was at a conference where he was...
we were
> > > >talking and I asked, why do they say that? And he said, can
you imagine
> > > >what would happen if one of these major oil company's CEO's
got up and
> > > >made
> > > >a speech and he said, 'We're running out of oil'? I said
there'd be
> > > >panic
> > > >and he said, 'That's right. They're not going to make the
statement.
> > > >They're going to say there's plenty of oil around'".
> > > >
> > > >"I know that sounds rather simple, but that's the best answer
I've
> > > >had...
> > > >why they keep saying that there's plenty of oil around. I
can't
> >tell you
> > > >
> > > >positive, but I am just so sure that we have peaked and from
here
> >on the
> > > >
> > > >demand side that we are going to have a hard time making the
trip on
> > > >fuel.
> > > >I know demand will come down with price. That will happen".
> > > >
> > > >He answered several audience questions and predicted that if
the summer
> > > >is
> > > >hot in the Southeast that natural gas prices will go to
$10. "Natural
> > > >gas
> > > >is in decline", he stated, concluding that eventually the
market will
> > > >sort
> > > >out the winners and losers".
> > > >
> > > >After his remarks, EV World asked Mr. Pickens if he agrees
with
> > > >Houston-based investment banker Matthew Simmons that Saudi
Arabia's oil
> > > >fields may be on the verge of decline and he replied that he
did agree
> > > >him.
> > > >
> > > >If Pickens and Simmons are correct, then Crown Prince
Abdullah's
> > > >promises
> > > >to raise production over the next ten years to 15 million
barrels a day
> > > >may
> > > >be just wishful thinking, in which case, Saudi Arabia's role
as swing
> > > >producer and oil price stabilizer may be a thing of the past.
Oil
> >prices
> > > >
> > > >will begin to experience unprecedented volatility, which is
likely to
> > > >place
> > > >serious stresses on a world largely unprepared for the end of
cheap
> > > >fossil
> > > >fuels. The road from here on will be a bumpy one."
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:40 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote:
> > > >mikes got it right..randy
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Mike Hohnstein
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:27 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] A little of subject but
> >something of
> > > > interest
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's all good but the real problem is the lack of
refining
> >capacity
> > > > in this country. The "not in my back yard" syndrome is the
problem
> > > > there, not to mention restrictive regulations meant to save
the
> >world or
> > > > something.
> > > > Mike Hohnstein
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: DAY8293A@C...
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:53 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] A little of subject but
> >something of
> > > > interest
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 55 MAY BE GOOD FOR OUR COACHES, BUT THE BIG
RIGS USE
> > > > MORE FUEL
> > > > GOING 55. I HAD A 4 SPEED CHEVY VEGA SET UP WITH A
HIGHWAY
> >SPEED
> > > > (70 MPH)
> > > > REAR END, AND WAS GETTING 30 MPG. MUCH MORE THAN WHEN I
BOUGHT IT.
> > > > WHEN PRESIDENT "JIMMAY" LOWERED THE SPEED LIMIT TO
55 MPH, I
> > > > COULD NO
> > > > LONGER MAKE IT UP HILLS IN FOURTH GEAR, AND HAD TO DOWN
SHIFT TO
> > > > THIRD,,, JUST
> > > > LIKE THE BIG TRUCKS HAD TO DO,,, AND DOWN WENT MY FUEL
MILEAGE !!!
> > > > IT HELPS SOME VEHICLES TO GO SLOW, AND OTHERS CAN
CRUISE
> >AT HIGHER
> > > > SPEEDS AND DO BETTER. I CAN GET 30 MPG IN MY CORVETTE
AT 70
> >MPH. (I
> > > > USED TO GET
> > > > 36 MPG IN MY 93 VETTE)
> > > > I THINK PEOPLE WILL SLOW DOWN TO SAVE GAS IF IT
WORKS FOR
> >THEIR
> > > > VEHICLE,,, I KNOW I SLOW DOWN,,, WE DON'T NEED THE GOV'T
ON
> >OUR CASE
> > > > ANYMORE.
> > > > WHAT WE DO NEED IS TO LIFT THE NICKLE A GALLON FUEL
TAX
> >THAT "SLICK
> > > > WILLY" PUT ON FUEL WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE,,,, DAY, IN JAX
FLA
> > > > ,,,,83PT-40,,,
> > > >
> > > >
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