refrigerator problems

[Tom Warner]

Tim if I truly had it, I would relinquish the King of Trivia Crown to
you. Anyone that references the Otter Tail Power Company must know
what he/she is talking about. So my hat is off to you.....you win!

Now for the caveat and I dont know the answer. Will the compressor,
cooling system and insulation of a residential refrigerator take the
banging around that a motorhome will give it and is this the reason
for the RV designs? I notice in a new refrigerator the compressor is
always tied down for shipping.

Tom
1982 Fc35
Vernon Center,NY with just old Niagara Mohawk Power




At 08:09 PM 10/8/2005, you wrote:
>OK, I'll bite. My replys will be interspaced between your comments
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>wrote:
> >
> > Tim its difficult to understand where you are coming from since
>you
> > use numbers like 750 watts and 1/3 of the time etc but don't say
> > where you got this information from.
>
><<http://www.psnh.com/Residential/ReduceBi...eusage.asp>http://www.psnh\
.com/Residential/ReduceBill/Applianceusage.asp>
><http://www.otpco.com/SaveEnergyMoney/app...yUsage.asp>
><<http://www.city.ames.ia.us/ElectricWeb/e...iances.htm>http://www.ci\
ty.ames.ia.us/ElectricWeb/energyguy/appliances.htm>
>
>Those were three that came up in a Yahoo!Search for 'Appliance
>Energy Usage'
>
> > But to set the record straight
> > I did not accuse you of disseminating false information.
> >
> > So lets discuss just 2 facts.
> >
> > 1. The energy guide numbers noted on appliances are seldom
> > accurate. Where do I get
> that? <http://tinyurl.com/8fd8z>http://tinyurl.com/8fd8z
> >
> > Understand the Energy Guide and Energy Star labels. The Energy
> > Guide tag you'll see on dishwashers is meant to show how much
>water
> > and energy a particular model is likely to use. However, Consumer
> > Reports tests have found that those numbers tend to underestimate
> > real-life consumption. Likely reason for this discrepancy: The
> > government tests with cleaner dishes than we do and assumes that
> > consumers run fewer than 322 loads per year. The Energy Star
>labeling
> > program cites dishwashers that are 25 percent more energy
>efficient
> > than the minimum government standards. Consumer Reports doesn't
> > highlight which models carry the Energy Star label but bases its
> > dishwasher ratings on its own, more rigorous testing. See the
> >
>
<<http://www.eco-labels.org/greenconsumers/ratings.cfm?>http://www.eco-labels.or\
g/greenconsumers/ratings.cfm?
>product=dishwasher>Green
> > Ratings section.
>
>Hmmm, dishwashers vs refrigerators. I went to the refrigerator
>section of that same website and didn't see the same opinion on
>their ratings for refrigerators. Did I miss something?
>
> > 2. Almost all refrigerators manufactured today ARE energy star
>rated.
>
>That may (or may not) be true, but the GE model I found that most
>closely matched the one we were talking about was here:
>
><<http://products.geappliances.com/ProdCon...ispatcher?>http://products.geap\
pliances.com/ProdContent/Dispatcher?
>REQUEST=ITEMID&itemid=310805_gms10aar_c2>
>
>The EnergyGuide sticker is here:
><<http://products.geappliances.com/ProdCon...ispatcher?>http://products.geap\
pliances.com/ProdContent/Dispatcher?
>REQUEST=ITEMID&itemid=GMS10AAR>
>
>No EnergyStar qualification here.
>
> > Where did I get that from?
> <http://tinyurl.com/bn2qx>http://tinyurl.com/bn2qx
>
>This link wouldn't work for me. Here is a link to the Energy Star
>website <<http://www.energystar.gov/>http://www.energystar.gov/> and
>a definition of what it
>takes to have an refrigerator Energy Star Qualified.
>
>Just for fun, I went to the GE website <http://www.geappliances.com> and
>did a little research.
>
>Out of 140 side-by-side refrigerators, 87 are Energy Star Qualified
>Out of 6 side-by-side built-in refrigerators, 6 are Energy Star
>Qualified
>Out of 90 top freezer refrigerators, 25 are Energy Star Qualified
>Out of 43 bottom freezer refrigerators, 37 are Energy Star Qualified
>None of the 7 compact or the 2 partial and manual defrost
>refrigerators are Energy Star Qualified.
>
>I guess it depends on your definition of "almost all"
>
> > Energy Star
> > According to the government, As of January 1, 2004, all
>refrigerators
> > and refrigerator-freezers 7.75 cubic feet or greater in volume
>must
> > be 15% more efficient than required by the minimum federal
>standard
> > in order to meet the Energy Star criteria. Residential freezers
>7.75
> > cubic feet or greater must be 10% more efficient than required by
>the
> > minimum federal standard in order to meet the Energy Star
>criteria.
> > All refrigerators and/or freezers less than 7.75 cubic feet in
>volume
> > and 36 inches or less in height must be 20% more efficient than
> > required by the minimum federal standard in order to meet the
>Energy
> > Star criteria .
> >
> > Now the bottom line and this is my opinion. If I were
> > contemplating buying a motorhome such as a Bluebird I would
> > immediately shy away from anyone that had a regular household
> > refrigerator installed, for two reasons.
> >
> > 1. I would figure that the person who had installed it, is
>attempting
> > to save money and if they saved money on a refrigerator they might
>be
> > doing the same thing on the coaches maintenance.
>
>I can think of a lot of other items I would look at before the
>refrigerator to determine the maintenance level of the coach. Mine
>actually came with a 12-VDC marine fridge (NovaKool) which will run
>for a week on my aux. batteries. It performs well as a refrigerator
>but marginally as a freezer. It uses a 12-vdc Danforth compressor
>and R-134a.
>
>My personal experiences with Dometic 3-way refrigerators (especially
>the propane-way) has not been positive (VW Campers). The two-way
>Dometic (12VDC/120VAC) in my current Camper is excellent.
>
> > 2, I want a refrigerator that is economical and efficient to
>operate
> > when boon docking. In other words I want one that can be operated
>on
> > propane, battery or 120VAC without running my generator for long
> > periods of time. And the addition of large expensive battery banks
> > with associated chargers/inverters is not economical or desirous
>in
> > my opinion. But then this is my personal preference and it may
>differ
> > from yours.
>
>True, my coach already has separate house and chassis batteries; I
>have added battery isolation and an inverter/charger. The primary
>reason was to run the rear roof air without running the genset.
>
>
>
>
>
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