Jeep Liberty as a TOAD?

[Scott]

Jay, great post..That is why I suggested they contact you ...I like
the NO BS approach for the BB owners..Thanks (now if I just got my
300M from you we would be getting somewhere) Make plans to come to
the Myrtle Beach Rally..would love to see you again. Bring your Bro
as well...

Take care

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY"
Murrells Inlet SC "right next to heaven"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Met you at RIV2003, once in the fair grounds, I was parked about 3
> busses behind you on the same side of the street...
>
> Anyhow, Jeep Liberty Diesel Toads...
> Great fuel mielage, great power, not noisey, burn clean, lotsa
> torque AND horsepower, decent room, slightly narrower than Grand
> Cherokee, Still enough room for 6' driver and passenger. These are
> very agile, easy to manuever, turn very sharp. So far, we have had
> comparitively less trouble with Libery's than other vehilces. My
> service manager will say they don't get much warranty on the
Liberty.
>
> We've sold only a hand full of the Diesels. I have personally
> followed up with these owners, wanted good information about their
> experience with the diesel. EVERY one of them are VERY satisfied
> with their Liberty CRD.
>
> If you shop the used market for a Liberty, the 2004's have a pretty
> choppy ride. The 2005 and newer Liberty's ride far better!
>
> The Liberty Sport, which is considered the base unit, is actually
> very well equipped. The list of standard equipment is L O N G.
> A/C, 20.5gal fuel tank, am/fm/cd w/6 speakers, multi-stage air
bags,
> all speed traction control, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, Cargo tie
down
> loops, command trac HD transfer case, electronic stability program,
> floor mats, tinted glass, full size spare, halogens heradlamps,
> power convenience group(illuminated entry,pwr mirrors-that can
fold,
> remote keyless entry, speed sensitive pawer locks), power windows,
> rear defroster and wiper, lighted vanity mirrors, tilt wheel,
tinted
> glass, intermittent wipers, and Trail Rated.(trail rated with
regard
> to the following 4 areas: Traction-Articulation-Ground Clearance-
> Water Fording)
>
> All this for a base list price of $25,780, invoice is $24,493
>
> My Bluebird buddies from around the country would pay only $21,993
> plus tax, lic & title in your state. This is invoice less $1,500 in
> midwest rebate and less $1,000 Chrysler Financial cash(Rebate).
> Chrysler financial cash is avaulable contingent on you financing
> with them for a period(not less than 3 months).
>
> The Liberty's that are 20K or under are gas 2x4 6spd, base, base,
> base. Not towable easily.
>
> Tow this unit by placing the transfer case in neutral.
>
> Thanks to the rest of you for your kind words, appreciate all the
> help I can get! Factory sets me up each month when we exceed our
> volume quota. Example: dealers in my zone sold 65% of their quota,
> we sold 230%, with second place selling 110%. There was no 3rd
> place, not even close.
>
> So if I'm going to sell a few at cost, they're going to some good
> people who maybe would not have come to IL to buy their next new
> ride had they not got a GREAT deal.
>
> We have Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC, so good variety all
> at 1 location! We are just west of I-57 on Route 121, near Mattoon,
> IL. We have a web site, http://www.HPRCars.com. Take a look, if you want
> some pictures sent to you, say the word, my I-Net manager will see
> to it you get them promptly.
>
> OK, enough CARBIZ ;-)
>
> Thanks for asking!
> Jay Darst, Owner
> HPR Automotive Superstore
> Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> 1320 West Jackson
> Sullivan, IL 61951
> 217-728-4366
> 800-447-3545(if you are in a state bordering IL)
> 217-971-0036cell
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
> <scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
> >
> > I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
> questions
> > > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor
coach.
> I
> > > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
> regarding
> > > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
> for
> > > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst
case.
> > > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> > >
> > > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
> honest
> > > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer
me
> to
> > > the appropriate sites.
> > >
> > > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being
> towed 4
> > > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
> pros
> > > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > > Command-Trac.
> > > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with
less
> > > moving parts.
> > >
> > > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
> differences
> > > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something
> in the
> > > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide,
> that is
> > > worth the extra expense and weight.
> > >
> > > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
> the
> > > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten
> in
> > > over my head.
> > >
> > > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the
diesel
> > > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where.
> Rumor
> > > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
> this
> > > engine?
> > >
> > > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
> trying to
> > > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
> Water
> > > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc.
> Other some
> > > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
> seems
> > > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
> there
> > > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a
> heay
> > > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> > >
> > > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > > Liberties? Comments?
> > >
> > > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
> really
> > > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
> Stroke in
> > > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
> but
> > > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
> understand
> > > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but
> I am
> > > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> > >
> > > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in
that
> there
> > > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
> newbe
> > > wanabe.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jim Scoggins
> >
>