eBay83 FC for 50k

[birds_first]

As a professional auctioneer and a certified appraiser of equipment I
will say one sale for an enormous amount does not justify the same
high value to every other bird sold. Value is based on condition and
the willingness of one individual willing to pay the purchase price.
The asking price does not justify the value, it is the quality of the
product being sold and the willingness of the buyer to pay an
acceptable value. I know of one 1978 bird in Ohio which has been for
sale for nearly 8 years and the owner has it listed all over the
internet for 52K- 58K which is nearly double of what that particular
bird is worth. We all know it is not worth the seller's asking price
to most of us but someday someone may come along and pay the seller
an acceptable fee and pay an additional 20 - 30K in reconditioning.
Maybe the bird which sold on eBay met all the criteria the buyer was
looking for and that determined the purchase price. When it comes to
BBs they are like real estate in that there are no two exactly
alike. I have looked at a dozen or so birds in the last 8 years and
some worth the asking price and some weren't. I'm still looking,
wanting and wishing and I know I will find my bird when the time is
ready. The matter of fact is I have found the bird of my choice but
the seller is not ready to let it go. So I will wait a while longer.
As for Ebay is concerned or any type of auction value is based on
what the buyer is willing to pay not what the seller wants. I've
seen dozen of birds on Ebay with a final bid of what I thought the
bird should sell for but the seller thought their bird was worth
more, and I have seen the same birds on there over and over again.
Birds_First 87 31-33FC wantabe
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
wrote:
>
> I cant resist...I have been pretty good at sales most of my adult
> life but I am willing to concede here.
>
> Tom, Crusademan, here is one for ya. A business deal.(can't resist
> hey some are better than me!) I have our coach for sale, RUBY (pic
on
> the forum somewhere) it is an 86 three yrs newer, 87K on the
mileage,
> Rear Bath, (we love) spent over 17k in the last 15mos in upgrades,
> new rubber, new Powertech, yep on the valve adj, fuel rack, new CAT
> heads, new levelers, new air gov, new fridge the money on upgrades
> and list list is much longer since ownership, ALL DOCUMENTED.
> Original Imron (retail $300+/gal), not sure about the 83 pics. A
new
> Earl Scheib paint job makes good photos as well can't say much for
> the paint longevity though.
>
> I would be willing to cut you in on the deal, yep pay YOU a fee,
> commission whatever. IF YOU CAN PULL THAT OFF AGAIN yep pull that
> rabbit one more time or school me on how to do that. A couple of
> forum members have seen our coach and can give an honest
assessment.
> If interested contact me cme4boatsataoldotcom. OR maybe you could
add
> it to your charter fleet. I have a coach that would compliment the
PT
> in the charter fleet.
>
> Hmmm lets see what that does. I too love to see the FC market take
> such an upturn.
>
> ScottB
> 86FC35RB "RUBY"
> SC (hoping to find the magic)
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > I never felt like I was in the "spotlight"
> > center stage for starting what ended in much
> > controversy. Quite the contrary, I'm scratching
> > my head, stoking my chin, contemplating like
> > most everyone else.
> >
> > I have witnessed what can happen in an auction
> > when the emotional side of the brain barricades
> > the logical side from interruption. Then, pause,
> > remorse sets upon the winning bidder with a
> > feeling of being duped by his own being.
> >
> > Whatever happens at auction end, this has been
> > be a learning experience for most of us even
> > though the outcome will not affect us one penny.
> >
> > bob janes, 87fcc35, greenville,sc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > To Bob and all,
> > > I always appreciate a heads up on things that I am
interested
> > in that are for sale, or just available for viewing. It's a good
> way
> > to stay up with market values and I am always looking for my
> > next "favorite" thing (much to the dismay of my wife). No finger
> > pointing intended by my post, just some random thoughts. Best
> Wishes
> > to all, Doug n' Pokey
> > >
> > >
> > > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > > Doug said, "Was the activity on this forum part
> > > of an orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but
> > > while this is not the place for that, I don't blame
> > > them for trying"
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > I was the person who initially brought this coach
> > > to the attention of the forum simply because of
> > > how nice it appeared to me and wanted to share.
> > >
> > > I have no past or present connection with the
> > > sellers with the exception I privately asked what
> > > kind of camera was used to take the pictures.
> > >
> > > While the price was hoovering at the 30K mark, I
> > > guessed that it would bring 40K, about 5k more than
> > > what I would value the coach just because marketing
> > > on Ebay had extremely good pictures,and, a good
> > > write-up as well.
> > >
> > > Contrary to photos of this coach, I have seen
> > > pictues on Ebay that were too dark and a person
> > > had to guess what was there. What kind of marketing
> > > is that for crying out loud?
> > >
> > > To me, the pictures of this coach may look better
> > > than the coach shows standing looking at it in person.
> > > That would be a let-down, wouldn't it?
> > >
> > > The seller agreed to one person's question as to
> > > whether or not the seller would accept an pre-
> > > purchase inspection of the high bidder, the seller
> > > did not oppose this.
> > >
> > > The bid surprised me bringing more than I paid for an
> > > '87 in decent condition, however, life is full of
> > > surprises, isn't it?
> > >
> > > A lesson in marketing?, perhaps?
> > >
> > > bobjanes, '87FC35, greenville, sc
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Doug Engel
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, I'll jump in...
> > > > I sell a fair amout of stuff on Ebay, it is a garage sale
> > > marketplace as far as I'm concerned. I have sold everything
from
> > old
> > > service station signage to Porsches, a 1988 BMW M5, motorcycles
> of
> > a
> > > variety of flavors and the list could go on. I purchased my
1978
> > GMC
> > > Palm Beach off of Ebay and originally found Pokey there (by the
> > way,
> > > the opening bid on Pokey was 20K, no one ever made an opening
> bid,
> > it
> > > didn't sell through Ebay). I like and dislike Ebay, but I have
> > NEVER
> > > had an Ebay sale bring top of the market, and I've sold some
nice
> > > stuff. I haven't monitored EVERY sale...but it has not been my
> > > experience that Ebay is the place to get the most out of a
sale.
> > Are
> > > there often schill bidders, yes. Do auctions often end early
with
> a
> > > buyer who originally found the item on Ebay and then works out
a
> > > purchase outside of the auction, yes. Is this OK, yes. Do
winning
> > > bidders often fail to complete a purchase, you bet! My point
is,
> > Ebay
> > > is a great selling tool, but unlike any
> > > > other I have dealt with, I take everything on there, vehicle
> > > descriptions (and I agree that this Bird is far nicer than
most,
> at
> > > least from the picures) and selling prices with a grain of salt.
> > > > One point that has not been touched on is that to sell a
> > > vehicle for another person really requires a dealers license.
It
> > does
> > > in Colorado and I am nearly positive that it does in Texas as
> well.
> > I
> > > bought a car on Ebay that was being sold by one person and
> actually
> > > owned by another, it was a mess. Not that this situation will
be,
> > but
> > > who are you actually buying the car from? Ebay does not
regulate
> if
> > > sellers have dealers licenses, it's not their job, but selling
a
> > car
> > > for another person without a license is against the law in most
> > > states, it is that way to protect the buyer, it's why I have to
> > carry
> > > a bond. Just a word to the wise...
> > > > Is the Rig nice? Sure looks like it! Was it misrepresented,
not
> > > that I know of. Was the activity on this forum part of an
> > > orchestrated marketing plan, maybe, but while this is not the
> place
> > > for that, I don't blame them for trying. Is that rig worth 30K
> more
> > > than Pokey...not in my book. In reality, items for sale are
only
> > > worth, in real dollars, what someone else is willing to pay, so
> if
> > > the sale goes through, the rig was worth the 50K+...to someone.
> > > > It will be interesting to see if it resurfaces for sale
> > > someplace else for sale, seems to be alot of eyes watching.
> > > > Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO, 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
> > way.....
> > > >
> > > > Hmmmmmm, I re-read my comments and I see nothing that implies
> > that
> > > you
> > > > mis-represented anything. Anything you are reading into it is
> of
> > > your
> > > > own making.
> > > >
> > > > I repeat: $50K is top of the market for what appears to be an
> > > original
> > > > 83 FC (actually beyond top of the market IMO). More power to
> you -
> > > > sincerely. Since it was an eBay auction, where many 'sales'
> never
> > > > actually materialize, I do hope the money arrives. My real
hope
> > > would
> > > > be that it might actually signal a turn around for the entire
> Bird
> > > > market, but I don't really believe that.
> > > >
> > > > As regards hype, you and thee owner both joined the forum
about
> a
> > > week
> > > > ago and immediately begin posting about the eBay sale
listing.
> To
> > > me,
> > > > that is hype. Hype can be good or bad, but it's still hype and
> > > > working the market. It appears to have worked for you guys.
> > > >
> > > > Since you and the owner both seem to have significant BB
> > > experience, I
> > > > do sincerely hope you will both stick around and contribute
to
> the
> > > > discussion of Bird maintenance, now that the sale is over.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime, we appreciate real signatures and locations
on
> > our
> > > > posts rather than anonymous pseudonyms. And please re-read
the
> > forum
> > > > front page rules on post contents.
> > > >
> > > > Merry Christmas to all.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX (current location - South Padre Island)
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "GRSmith, 111"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We did not do anything to misrepresent this coach in any
> > way.....
> > > > trust me..... It's an incredible coach...... believe it or
> > > not.......
> > > > and I have a 1988 .... that is almost as clean as this one
with
> > only
> > > > 114K miles..... super service & maintenance all it's life....
> > garage
> > > > kept for 13 years....... PT 40 ..... awesome.... trying to
> > > > decide...... getting in to the charter coach business.....
LORD
> > > > WILLING.... pray for me...... YOu guys are great....
Crusademan
> > > > >
> > > > > mbulriss <mbulriss@> wrote: What a incredible Christmas
> > > > present for that seller. That certainly
> > > > > is top of the market. Hope the money shows up.
> > > > >
> > > > > At that price it sure makes my prior 83PT40 (Stagecoach)
seem
> > > > > incredibly cheap at the current owner's asking price of
> > $43,000.
> > > > > hmmmmm...... hype pays off, I guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since they just joined the forum last week to promote the
> sale,
> > > now we
> > > > > get to see if the seller 'Ole Tom' and the
> > marketer 'Crusademan'
> > > stick
> > > > > around to participate on the forum, or unsubscribe now that
> the
> > > sale
> > > > > is done.......... Hopefully, they will stick around and
share
> > > some of
> > > > > Ole Tom's repair and upkeep tips.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > San Antonio, TX (currently on South Padre Island)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dthollis1961"
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David Hollis 84 FC35 Springfield,IL
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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