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01-07-2007, 09:51
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My 94 heart inverter runs off the batteries. charging batteries and
using batteries are independent. the alternator is putting out more amps than a 2800 watt inverter can use. I had a rig with one ac setup to run off the inverter for road trips. I thought about setting my 94 pt up that way but kinda like to exersize the genset fully loaded with all ac's running when I have the chance to. For the most part I use the inverter. I am doing a 'inverter use test' now to prepare for Quartzsite drycamp rally. GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dspithaler@... wrote: > > Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the road to > use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp alternator or is it > better to run the genny. > Don > 89 SP 36' > Butler, PA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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01-07-2007, 11:34
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Hi Don,
I routinely use my inverter on the road to keep the ice maker going and the laptop on and charging. During the day, it seems to draw no more power than all of the lights do at night. I think that the draw is usually around 65 amps when the ice maker is on. I do not leave the ice maker on when I park for the night. Usually, it has no problem staying cold for a few hours while we're sleeping. Are you going to AZ this winter?? Shane Fedeli 85PT40 Hershey, PA --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dspithaler@... wrote: > > Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the road to > use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp alternator or is it > better to run the genny. > Don > 89 SP 36' > Butler, PA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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01-07-2007, 12:14
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I have an all electric coach and the refrigerator is a home-style
Amana side-by-side model. The dual inverters run most of the time to keep the refrigerator and any other 120VAC items operating. I haven't noticed any particular extra load on the alternator (although I think I have a larger alternator). Don't try to run roof/basement ACs, however, without turning on the genny. I believe that my coach is wired up so that the ACs draw either from shore power or from the genny -- and won't draw from the inverters. (That's what I was told, anyway.) The ACs draw about 15A at 120VAC each unless you've replaced them with high-efficiency units -- so a couple ACs could easily overwhelm the typical inverter. Pete Masterson aeonix1@... '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:51 PM, dspithaler@... wrote: > Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the > road to > use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp > alternator or is it > better to run the genny. > Don > 89 SP 36' > Butler, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-07-2007, 12:42
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Mine's wired so that one AC can be operated off an
inverter. Cruising down the road I get chassis AC and one house AC, unless I start the genny. David B '02 LXi, Smokey NC Pete Masterson wrote: > I have an all electric coach and the refrigerator is a home-style > Amana side-by-side model. The dual inverters run most of the time to > keep the refrigerator and any other 120VAC items operating. I haven't > noticed any particular extra load on the alternator (although I think > I have a larger alternator). > > Don't try to run roof/basement ACs, however, without turning on the > genny. I believe that my coach is wired up so that the ACs draw > either from shore power or from the genny -- and won't draw from the > inverters. (That's what I was told, anyway.) > > The ACs draw about 15A at 120VAC each unless you've replaced them > with high-efficiency units -- so a couple ACs could easily overwhelm > the typical inverter. > > Pete Masterson > aeonix1@... > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' > El Sobrante, CA > > > > > On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:51 PM, dspithaler@... wrote: > > >> Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the >> road to >> use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp >> alternator or is it >> better to run the genny. >> Don >> 89 SP 36' >> Butler, PA >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-07-2007, 13:59
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Don:
a 160 amp alternator will put out 1920 watts. An airconditioner will draw about 1500 watts, this includes the inefficiences of the inverter, so you will have only 400 watts or so for other things. If you are driving during the day with your lights on that will easily gobble up the rest of your power. So, although a 2500 watt inverter will power your AC, and with your engine alternator putting out 160 amps, gets real hot then, I would say it would not be too wise to run air conditioner with your engine. One option, expensive though, is to install the 300 amp alternator, hmmm maybe runnning the generator would be cheaper LOL Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge" Terrace, B.C. Canada ----- Original Message ---- From: Pete Masterson To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 4:14:54 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Inverter I have an all electric coach and the refrigerator is a home-style Amana side-by-side model. The dual inverters run most of the time to keep the refrigerator and any other 120VAC items operating. I haven't noticed any particular extra load on the alternator (although I think I have a larger alternator). Don't try to run roof/basement ACs, however, without turning on the genny. I believe that my coach is wired up so that the ACs draw either from shore power or from the genny -- and won't draw from the inverters. (That's what I was told, anyway.) The ACs draw about 15A at 120VAC each unless you've replaced them with high-efficiency units -- so a couple ACs could easily overwhelm the typical inverter. Pete Masterson aeonix1@mac. com '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42' El Sobrante, CA On Jan 7, 2007, at 12:51 PM, dspithaler@aol. com wrote: > Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the > road to > use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp > alternator or is it > better to run the genny. > Don > 89 SP 36' > Butler, PA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-07-2007, 14:12
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Don:
Another reply: Easy way for you to see if you can use electrical equipment on the road. Watts used has to be replaced, generally by the alternator , battery chargers or inverters. If you running down the road, as long as you don't overload the inverter, it should be okay to use it for short periods of time, making toast, coffee, using the ice maker, things like that. Watts used = volts * amperage / 60 * minutes used. Eg. Coffee maker = 120 volts * 15 amps /60 * 10 minutes = 300 watts. For your 160 amp alternator at 12 volts it would take almost 10 minutes to put that power back into your battery. Hope this helps Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge" Terrace, B.C. Canada ----- Original Message ---- From: sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:34:26 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Inverter Hi Don, I routinely use my inverter on the road to keep the ice maker going and the laptop on and charging. During the day, it seems to draw no more power than all of the lights do at night. I think that the draw is usually around 65 amps when the ice maker is on. I do not leave the ice maker on when I park for the night. Usually, it has no problem staying cold for a few hours while we're sleeping. Are you going to AZ this winter?? Shane Fedeli 85PT40 Hershey, PA --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, dspithaler@. .. wrote: > > Question ---- I was wandering if running an inverter when on the road to > use a few electrical appliances is a big draw on a 160 Amp alternator or is it > better to run the genny. > Don > 89 SP 36' > Butler, PA > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-07-2007, 14:21
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Bill I believe you may have amp hours confused with watts. Your
batteries are rated in amp hours for example T105s are 225 amp hours and not watts. you use a coffee maker for 10 minutes it may consume 1500 watts or about 250 amp hours. And remember their is a discrepancy as far as batteries and alternators. Batteries put out approximately 13.2 vdc while alternators are rated at 14.2 volts tom At 09:12 PM 1/7/2007, you wrote: >Don: >Another reply: >Easy way for you to see if you can use electrical equipment on the road. >Watts used has to be replaced, generally by the alternator , battery >chargers or inverters. >If you running down the road, as long as you don't overload the >inverter, it should be okay to use it for short periods of time, >making toast, coffee, using the ice maker, things like that. > >Watts used = volts * amperage / 60 * minutes used. >Eg. Coffee maker = 120 volts * 15 amps /60 * 10 minutes = 300 watts. >For your 160 amp alternator at 12 volts it would take almost 10 >minutes to put that power back into your battery. >Hope this helps > >Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge" |
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01-07-2007, 14:35
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Wilhelmus:
I am certainly not an expert on inverters but I am having trouble following your logic. You seem to be confusing 12 volts DC with 120 ac. I would think that the first factor would be the capacity of your battery bank. The alternator is not providing the power to the appliance it is charging the batteries. The inverter is converting the 12v dc fom the batteries. Perhaps one of the electrical gurus will provide an expanation. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong. Bruce 1988 FC35 "La Reina Gitana" |
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01-07-2007, 15:05
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Ok, let me explain:
there is a battery bank which has a certain capacity. there is an alternator which has a predetermined charging capacity You are correct that the alternator charges the batteries. BUT the alternator is only so big, 160 amp so that gives you 1920 watts each hour. The battery bank has capacity depending on the size. The question Don wanted to know is if he can use some of the 120 volt electrical equipment while driving down the road. So, you have an alternator going which can produce up to 1920 watts. With this setup, the appliance is taking power out of the battery bank through the inverter, while the alternator is trying to replace what has been removed. But while you drive, there are other things which is taking load as well, things as lights, if you have an electric retarder, stereo, and many other things. All of this comes into play with the load on the alternator. If you draw more load than what your alternator can produce, then the difference is coming from the batteries. If you run long enough like this, well it certainly is not good for the alternator, but the batteries will become depleted, then the only other thing which would help is to start the generator, the generator would take the 120 volt loads, which includes the inverter, thus helping to restore the batteries to normal. Hope this helps. Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge" Terrace, B.C. Canada ----- Original Message ---- From: birdshill123 To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 6:35:04 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Inverter Wilhelmus: I am certainly not an expert on inverters but I am having trouble following your logic. You seem to be confusing 12 volts DC with 120 ac. I would think that the first factor would be the capacity of your battery bank. The alternator is not providing the power to the appliance it is charging the batteries. The inverter is converting the 12v dc fom the batteries. Perhaps one of the electrical gurus will provide an expanation. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong. Bruce 1988 FC35 "La Reina Gitana" <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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01-07-2007, 15:05
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Bruce,
The charging current ant the battery current are in paralell. That means that a device using power will draw from both. In reality due to the nature of charging voltages, etc., if you exceed the alternator charging current you will begin to drain the batteries. I am sure there are very specific calculations to determine the actual load on each source, but it sufices to think of it as a bucket of water (battery) with a hose feeding it (alternator). If you drain the water faster than the hose feeds it, the bucket will empty out (drain the battery). --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123" > > Wilhelmus: > > I am certainly not an expert on inverters but I am having trouble > following your logic. You seem to be confusing 12 volts DC with 120 ac. > I would think that the first factor would be the capacity of your > battery bank. The alternator is not providing the power to the > appliance it is charging the batteries. The inverter is converting the > 12v dc fom the batteries. Perhaps one of the electrical gurus will > provide an expanation. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong. > > Bruce > 1988 FC35 "La Reina Gitana" > |
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