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07-28-2007, 04:59
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jon"
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > When I was in the Army I jumped out the back of a 2 1/2 ton truck > and caught my ring on the top hook wher the rear gate fastened. It > cut the heck out of my finger. > > Howard T., S. Ga., 86 PT40 > > > > > > From: Hugh Turner > > > Date: 2007/07/27 Fri AM 09:45:35 EDT > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Old men and RV ladders > > > > > > Rings, fingers and maintenance never mix.When I in the Air > Force did not see it thank GOD but herd about a guy had his ring on > got caught on a moving part and took finger and nerve from the > shoulder with it. Rings and Electricity use Ohms law to figure out > how many Watts are coming that bank of batteries. A DC battery will > do more body damage than 110VAC. Just my two cents worth. > > > > > > Hugh Turner > > > 84 PT40 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Yep when I put my time down at Uncle Sams play yard (Pugent Sound > Naval Ship Yard) we were always told not to wear rings when working > aboard the ships. Also when way back when (60's) they wanted ust to > wear hair nets when operating drill presses and other fast moving > equipment. But now I wouldn't haft to worry about that hair net as > up top side its kind of sparse now! Oh well I've got my poor man > topay (Baseball cap) and that hinds allot of nothing up there!) > > Jon > Rebel Bird > Bremerton > > Car Show today and here's a picture of my old http://tinyurl.com/2kmmdn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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07-28-2007, 13:46
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Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings.
Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Gardner 78FC33 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder and > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to hold > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing to > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My knees > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't what > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that little > platform till I get to the roof. > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of the > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made something > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how I > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it up > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > Gardner > 78FC33 > |
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07-28-2007, 22:21
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Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage space available
in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a 78 FC 33. Could there be a bigger difference? Steve Anderson (60) 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RoyalW1941@... writes: Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to crawl onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find the rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my balance when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much as possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof storage pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still find myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. Royal Washburn 97 43WL --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > Gardner > 78FC33 > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > wrote: > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder > and > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to > hold > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > to > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > knees > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't > what > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > little > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of > the > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > something > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how > I > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it > up > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > Gardner > > 78FC33 > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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07-29-2007, 00:27
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Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the
ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to crawl onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find the rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my balance when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much as possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof storage pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still find myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. Royal Washburn 97 43WL --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > Gardner > 78FC33 > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw" > wrote: > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder > and > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to > hold > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > to > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > knees > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't > what > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > little > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of > the > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > something > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how > I > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it > up > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > Gardner > > 78FC33 > > > |
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07-29-2007, 03:12
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Steve,
I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over the edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that hard to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate them) and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll go by the shop and do some measuring. Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it had one! San Antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@... wrote: > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage space available > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a 78 FC 33. > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > Steve Anderson (60) > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > RoyalW1941@... writes: > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to crawl > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find the > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my balance > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much as > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof storage > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still find > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > Royal Washburn > 97 43WL > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > wrote: > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > Gardner > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > wrote: > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > ladder > > and > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top > to > > hold > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > > to > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > > knees > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > ain't > > what > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > > little > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top > of > > the > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > something > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of > how > > I > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave > it > > up > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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07-29-2007, 04:45
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I put up a new concept under Gardner & Kathy's '78 FC.
Just another thought. Gardner '78FC33 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote: > > Steve, > > I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible > handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder > on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I > don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we > we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some > support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over the > edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that hard > to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that > would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed > for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right > through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate them) > and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll go > by the shop and do some measuring. > > Mike Bulriss > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless > crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it had > one! > San Antonio, TX > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@ wrote: > > > > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage space > available > > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a > 78 FC 33. > > > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > > > Steve Anderson (60) > > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > RoyalW1941@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to crawl > > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find the > > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my balance > > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much as > > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof storage > > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still find > > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > > > Royal Washburn > > 97 43WL > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > Gardner > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > > ladder > > > and > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top > > to > > > hold > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > > > to > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > > > knees > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > > ain't > > > what > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > > > little > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top > > of > > > the > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > something > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of > > how > > > I > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave > > it > > > up > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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07-29-2007, 04:55
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Gardner,
I once say a ladder top extension on a '89FC I was looking at in So. CA. It looked like it was an original BB option and slid up the existing ladder and locked into place. Then would slide back down to store. It gave you something to hang on to till you were on top. The way it was designed, it was part of the ladder. I've never seen one like it before or since but I think it was a good idea. Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: Gardner Yeaw To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Old men and RV ladders Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Gardner 78FC33 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder and > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to hold > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing to > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My knees > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't what > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that little > platform till I get to the roof. > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of the > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made something > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how I > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it up > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > Gardner > 78FC33 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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07-29-2007, 05:18
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Much fancier than I was thinking Gardner, but certainly feasible. I
was thinking just straight stand-up and fold down poles on both sides of the upper ladder that would provide stability for geting on and off the roof in a standing manner rather than down on all fours. My ladder sides wrap about 2-3 feet up over the roof, so I was thinking the poles would drop down right on top of those rails when not in use. Mike Bulriss 1991 WB40 "Texas Minvan" San Antonio, TX - stillll raining here again today! Arrggh! Acquifer now 39' over historical average and within 3' of all time record high... drought officially broken in all counties in Texas now! --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw" wrote: > > I put up a new concept under Gardner & Kathy's '78 FC. > Just another thought. > Gardner > '78FC33 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > > > I thought the discussion was about having extendable/collapsible > > handrails of some sort to allow standing access to/from the ladder > > on/off the roof.... regardless of the reason for getting up there. I > > don't think the original discussion had anything to do with 'why' we > > we needed to get on the roof, just an easier way to do so with some > > support. Sure would be handy not to have to crawl on and off over > the > > edge like today. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be that > hard > > to fabricate a couple of 1/2 - 1" stainless square "handles" that > > would lay along the top rails and just pivot up and down when needed > > for steady roof access. Pivot pins could attach to or go right > > through the original hand rail tops (depending how you fabricate > them) > > and the hinge assembly would act as a stop. Hmmmm.... I think I'll > go > > by the shop and do some measuring. > > > > Mike Bulriss > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" - with mounted tire on top via stainless > > crane assembly; no storage pod, but I'm sure I would fill it if it > had > > one! > > San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, ebirder2000@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Let's see... we are comparing the expansive basement storage > space > > available > > > in a 97 43' coach to the verrry limited cargo space available in a > > 78 FC 33. > > > > > > Could there be a bigger difference? > > > > > > Steve Anderson (60) > > > 79 FC 35 with 2 storage pods and considering another. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2007 5:27:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > RoyalW1941@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner, I too have encountered the problem of getting from the > > > ladder to the roof and standing up. I use a kneeling pad to > crawl > > > onto the roof and get into a better position to stand. I find > the > > > rear roof air conditioner provides some help in keeping my > balance > > > when standing up. The best idea is to stay off the roof as much > as > > > possible when you get as old as I am. I have removed my roof > storage > > > pods so I'm not tempted to store stuff up there. But I still > find > > > myself up there occasionally to do maintenance. > > > > > > Royal Washburn > > > 97 43WL > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and > rings. > > > > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my > plan. I > > > > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It > would > > > > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way > as I > > > > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside > rather > > > > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In _WanderlodgeForum@WanderlodgeFWan_ > > > (mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com) , "Gardner Yeaw" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the > > > ladder > > > > and > > > > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the > top > > > to > > > > hold > > > > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with > nothing > > > > to > > > > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. > My > > > > knees > > > > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time > > > ain't > > > > what > > > > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on > that > > > > little > > > > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > > > > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the > top > > > of > > > > the > > > > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > > > > something > > > > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea > of > > > how > > > > I > > > > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I > leave > > > it > > > > up > > > > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be > either) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gardner > > > > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > > all-new AOL at > > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > |
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07-29-2007, 05:26
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I just thought of this while reading the post.. Why not install a
Hoist, (as from Harbor Freight) near the goat rail & the platform? Shouldn't be too hard to engineer. It would give you something to hang onto, and think of all the Junk the Wife would find to cart home! Has anyone tried to build an indoor stairway and Rooftop Viewing Deck like SeeYa (i think) did a couple of years ago? Jack Smith 1973FC31 SoCal ==================================================================== --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden" > > Gardner, > I once say a ladder top extension on a '89FC I was looking at in So. CA. It looked like it was an original BB option and slid up the existing ladder and locked into place. Then would slide back down to store. It gave you something to hang on to till you were on top. The way it was designed, it was part of the ladder. I've never seen one like it before or since but I think it was a good idea. > > Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gardner Yeaw > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 6:46 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Old men and RV ladders > > > > Somewhow this went fronm ladder estentions to fingers and rings. > Anyway, after climbing up on the roof today I rethought my plan. I > really don't neet the taller part of the rail at the back. It would > serve me better if it rose higher by the goat rail. That way as I > steped onto the platform I would have the higher part beside rather > than behind. Oh well, back to the drawing board. > > Gardner > 78FC33 > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com "Gardner Yeaw" > wrote: > > > > Ok, I'm not THAT old, but I am over 60 and climbing up the ladder > and > > getting onto the roof is a pain. I have to bend over at the top to > hold > > on as I get by feet on the platform. Then I stand up with nothing > to > > hold onto. Of course, to get down I have to do the reverse. My > knees > > sometimes give way for a moment and my balance reaction time ain't > what > > it used to be, so it feels pretty precarious standing on that > little > > platform till I get to the roof. > > > > So what I want is a retractable handrail extention at the top of > the > > ladder so I can get to the top standing up. Has anyone made > something > > like this or seen anything on the market. I have a fair idea of how > I > > would make it, but I am always open to anyones suggestions. > > > > It would also have too be wired so an alarm sounds if I leave it > up > > and try to drive off..(my memory ain't what it used to be either) > > > > > > Gardner > > 78FC33 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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07-29-2007, 06:19
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Mike- how is the water level around your parts? Dry here, Yellowstone is low
and muddy. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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