Goodyear tires - BAD

[ronmarabito2002]

You never said what the pressures were in the tires. Without that information,
we can't tell anything about your experience.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Karen James wrote:
>
> The tire pressure was routinely checked and we never ran them if they were
low. The tires had only 4,000 miles on them. All eight were purchased at the
same time and were the same batch number. We did not feel safe running on them
so replaced them with Michelin. (an expensive lesson, needless to say!)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: trekkersmith1
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:19:04 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Goodyear Tires - BAD
>
>
>
>
>
> Signature? Sounds like a classic case of improper air pressure. What are your
position weights at each of the 6 positions? What air pressure do you carry at
each position? How do you check the pressure, and how often?
>
> No tire manufacturer will routinely stand behind tire failure due to improper
air pressure.
>
> Gary
> SOB
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "kkjames47" wrote:
> >
> > We purchased 8 new Goodyear (80 R 22.5)for our 2000 LXI in August of 2008.
With very little mileage, three of the tires have separated. Goodyear is not
cooperating with us at all. Has anyone else had trouble with Goodyears?
> >
>

[RWW]

Although this question of tire pressure was not directed to me, I'd comment that Goodyear never even inquired about pressure when I claimed damages. They inspected the tire(s) at the dealer, in particular looking for road hazard damage and the sent it to Akron for an inspection.

In the first and second instance they paid for the replacement tire and the damage to the coach caused by the tred seperation. The third instance resulted in our argument over giving me my money back. They offered to replace all the remaining tires, but with the same Goodyear model. They would never admit fault nor articulate a reason for the failures. Had they told me it was a bad batch or some reasonable explanation as to why the first were defective and the replacements should be okay, I may have agreed, but in the would not and I went to Michelin. Not cheap, but I felt a whole lot safer.

During all this they never questioned air pressure.

RWW

On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:54 PM, "ronmarabito2002" <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

You never said what the pressures were in the tires. Without that information, we can't tell anything about your experience.



R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Karen James ..> wrote:

>

> The tire pressure was routinely checked and we never ran them if they were low. The tires had only 4,000 miles on them. All eight were purchased at the same time and were the same batch number. We did not feel safe running on them so replaced them with Michelin. (an expensive lesson, needless to say!)

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: trekkersmith1 .>

> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"

> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:19:04 AM

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Goodyear Tires - BAD

>

>

>

>

>

> Signature? Sounds like a classic case of improper air pressure. What are your position weights at each of the 6 positions? What air pressure do you carry at each position? How do you check the pressure, and how often?

>

> No tire manufacturer will routinely stand behind tire failure due to improper air pressure.

>

> Gary

> SOB

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "kkjames47" wrote:

> >

> > We purchased 8 new Goodyear (80 R 22.5)for our 2000 LXI in August of 2008. With very little mileage, three of the tires have separated. Goodyear is not cooperating with us at all. Has anyone else had trouble with Goodyears?

> >

>

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[Karen James]

As you can tell, I am not "tire literate". All of the numbers are: 315 535 GRW-93D FO9R DOT MJ72 flaw 2708 Uniseal 80 R 22.5 G670RE, load range L If that makes any sense to you.

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From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:33:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Goodyear Tires - BAD

I can guess what it is, but I'd rather not - what is the missing 3 digit number in front of 80 (usually xxx/80) for these tires? That missing number is the size, and 80 is just ratio of height to width.

On 7/2/2009 at 7:59 AM Karen James wrote:

>The model number was 80 R 22.5 G670 RE, Load range L.

[Gregory OConnor]

Don't give up. You are not the customer of goodyear, why deal with them. $20.
brings an action against the retailer who sold you the tires and now is not
swinning the bat for. State Department of consumer affairs would be another
source. There is only so much grease to go around. squeek. make sellers and
suppliers responsible for claims that attracted your business.

Greg ofTim&Greg
94ptca


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "kkjames47" wrote:
>
> We purchased 8 new Goodyear (80 R 22.5)for our 2000 LXI in August of 2008.
With very little mileage, three of the tires have separated. Goodyear is not
cooperating with us at all. Has anyone else had trouble with Goodyears?
>

[trekkersmith1]

No disrespect intended to anyone here, but the inspection of the inside of the
tire (dismounted) can tell a knowledgable inspector if the tire has been run
under stressful conditions it wasn't designed for, whether caused by
overloading, underinflation, or excessive speed. All these tend to overheat the
casing and lead to early failure.
Gary
SOB
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, RWW wrote:
>
> Although this question of tire pressure was not directed to me, I'd
> comment that Goodyear never even inquired about pressure when I
> claimed damages. They inspected the tire(s) at the dealer, in
> particular looking for road hazard damage and the sent it to Akron for
> an inspection.
>
> In the first and second instance they paid for the replacement tire
> and the damage to the coach caused by the tred seperation. The third
> instance resulted in our argument over giving me my money back. They
> offered to replace all the remaining tires, but with the same Goodyear
> model. They would never admit fault nor articulate a reason for the
> failures. Had they told me it was a bad batch or some reasonable
> explanation as to why the first were defective and the replacements
> should be okay, I may have agreed, but in the would not and I went to
> Michelin. Not cheap, but I felt a whole lot safer.
>
> During all this they never questioned air pressure.
>
> RWW
>
> On Jul 2, 2009, at 3:54 PM, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You never said what the pressures were in the tires. Without that
> > information, we can't tell anything about your experience.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Karen James
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The tire pressure was routinely checked and we never ran them if
> > they were low. The tires had only 4,000 miles on them. All eight
> > were purchased at the same time and were the same batch number. We
> > did not feel safe running on them so replaced them with Michelin.
> > (an expensive lesson, needless to say!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: trekkersmith1
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 6:19:04 AM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Goodyear Tires - BAD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Signature? Sounds like a classic case of improper air pressure.
> > What are your position weights at each of the 6 positions? What air
> > pressure do you carry at each position? How do you check the
> > pressure, and how often?
> > >
> > > No tire manufacturer will routinely stand behind tire failure due
> > to improper air pressure.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > > SOB
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "kkjames47"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We purchased 8 new Goodyear (80 R 22.5)for our 2000 LXI in
> > August of 2008. With very little mileage, three of the tires have
> > separated. Goodyear is not cooperating with us at all. Has anyone
> > else had trouble with Goodyears?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[sfedeli3]

Karen- I had two Goodyear G-159's on the front of my coach and they wore out on
the shoulders of the tire after only 10K miles. The outer 2" of rubber on the
treads rippled and steering became a real problem. I replaced both with Michelin
XZA2's- never been happier!

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Karen James wrote:
>
> We bought a set of 8 Goodyear Tires (80 R 22.5) in November 2008. With less
than 5,000 miles, we found three of the tires were separating. With worries of
the other Goodyears going bad as we drove, we put new Michelin's on our 2000
LXI. Goodyear will not stand behind the tires, Has anyone else had a problem
with them?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Thompson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:04:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
>
>
>
>
>
> Wayne,
> After powering down all sources of power including the batteries and then
powering up again beginning with reconnecting the batteries and then turning on
both the battery charger breakers behind the mirror in the bedroom and checking
the Freedom Model 25 status display panels and found them both on, I continued
by powering up the generator and both Inverters were still on, I then shut down
the generator and connected the 50 Amp shore power and both Inverters were still
on. I continued turning every thing on and the Inverters still remained on and
were holding the 14 volt steady out put of the battery chargers. I checked the
voltage in the electrical outlets and it was 120 volts AC just like it ought to
be. Seems that the Inverters would not reset until every source of power was
disconnected including the batteries. Its bee several hours now and everything
is like it should be.
>
> I sent an earlier email about what I did which was esentially what I said
above.
>
> Thanks to you and all the others for your very valuable suggestions.
>
> I learned a lot from this experience.
>
>
>
> Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
> 1995 WLWB 42'
> (cockyfox@sbcglobal .net)
>
> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Wayne Kotila wrote:
>
>
> >From: Wayne Kotila
> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
> >To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:18 PM
> >
> >
> >If your using your generator do things respond the same as with the shore
power ? When you see the voltage rising have you tried throwing the 110volt
breakers off that say battery chargers one at a time and leave each one off for
about 10 minutes and see if either one off would get your voltage to drop back
into a normal range? This shoud confirm which inverter/charger is the problem.
> >Good Luck
> >Wayne
> >1996 PT42
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Thompson
> >To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:33:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
> >
> >
> >Wayne,
> >
> >I only have two breakers that are labled Battery chargers. None are labled
"Inverters". I checked all the breakers and none had tripped. This is a real
puzzler. The fact that the voltage is rising on the driver dash guages disturbs
me. It is at 17 volts according to the guages but I measured the voltage at a
lamp socket and it was 16 volts. That is still too high for a 12 volt bulb.
One has blown already. I don't know why the voltage is rising like it is. It
is a very slow rise. It started rising yesterday when we parked at this RV park
and between 2pm and 10pm it had risen from 14 volts to 16 volts. and today as of
9:30 PM it is slightly over 17 volts.
> >
> >If I am going down the road with the engine power it is 14 volts. Go figger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
> >1995 WLWB 42'
> >(cockyfox@sbcglobal .net)
> >
> >--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Wayne Kotila wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Wayne Kotila
> >>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
> >>To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >>Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:19 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>Did you check all the breakers in your 120 volt panel, sometimes you can't
tell that one is tripped and your two inverters should be on 2 seperate 120 volt
breakers.
> >>Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Thompson
> >>To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >>Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:05:14 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
> >>
> >>
> >>Pete,
> >>
> >>I have checked the pop out resets on the two Inverters and they were all in
so no need to reset them I pressed them anyway just to make sure and they were
solid in.
> >>
> >>What switch was it that you accidentally hit. I have looked at everything
on the dasboard console and didn't notice anything that jumped out at me.
> >>
> >>It appears that a breaker has been tripped. I did check those 4 breakers
you mentiobned and tripped all of them off then back on and it didn't chanbge a
thing. The Inverter panely that is next to the drivers seat (two of them) , the
bottom one is off. No indicators are lit at all. Evidently your coach has a
different Inverter than mine. Mine is a Heart Interface, Freedom, Model # 25.
> >>
> >>I think the Inverter has a breaker tripped somewhere. I have some 120 volt
outlets with no voltage even though I am plugged into shore power so that is a
clue to the problem I would think. It appears that the shore powerr has a leg
that is non functinbal.
> >>
> >>Got to go pick up the wife at the laudry right now but be back shortly.
> >>
> >>
> >>Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
> >>1995 WLWB 42'
> >>(cockyfox@sbcglobal .net)
> >>
> >>--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Pete Masterson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Pete Masterson
> >>>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] New problem,,,,lost one of my Freedom
Inverters
> >>>To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> >>>Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:16 PM
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I had a similar situation not long ago. After troubleshooting, I thought
I'd have to replace the inverter. Eventually, I discovered that a switch on the
control panel (next to the driver) had been accidently turned off. Turned it
back on -- and now it works just fine. (I guess I must have bumped the switch
while working with the HWH level controller right next to it.)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't know what controller you have -- but a P.O. had installed a (Heart)
Link 2000R controller. It manages the power output of the chargers and limits
the charge rate to the batteries (I have AGMs and they require a lower voltage
than regular wet cell batteries). On the downside, the Link 2000R controller
takes an electrical engineer to operate it -- the manual is very difficult --
but I've been able to puzzle out the way to get it set up right for my
batteries.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The standard interface is not as adjustable -- but I'm not really familiar
with it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The inverters have a small breaker on the front (inverters are inside a
metal box just above the batteries inside the curb side battery compartment) .
Push in to reset. There are dual breakers for each inverter. Mine are located in
the bedroom on the engine bulkhead below the main 120 V electrical panel behind
a carpet covered door (with an obvious handle). (I have a side-island bed.) 2
breakers for each inverter. These protect the inverter from an overload on an
inverted circuit since the inverter power is NOT routed through the main 120 V
panel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>The back closet has a removable wooden panel which you might think is to
access the engine from inside. You would be incorrect.. I removed the panel the
other day (in exploration) and discovered it covers a bunch (9 or 10) of 120 vac
relays. I have no idea what they all serve (I didn't look for a wiring diagram
-- I was just exploring). To remove the panel, you must remove about 6 screws in
a gray felt covered strip, then remove 4 or so s! crews al ong the top edge and
2 screws further down -- but you probably don't need to get in there for this
problem -- you should just be aware it's there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Pete Masterson
> >>>'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> >>>El Sobrante CA
> >>>aeonix1@mac. com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Ron Thompson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Good morning,
> >>>>
> >>>>I guess that when you go out on a trip is when everything really gets a
workout. I left Texas 2 weeks ago and I have finally made my way to Eugene, Or.
on my way to Alaska. I have had different kinds of problems arise and corrected
them but I have now lost one of my Inverters This is not good for the batteries
I would predict.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think that maybe the inverter is fused or has a breaker in the circuit
but I have no idea where to look for that.
> >>>>
> >>>>If there is anyone out there familiar with the Inverter power circuits,
transfer swithches, etc. please advise me. I would like to reset the Inverter
that is down and see if it will hold.
> >>>>
> >>>>The type Inverter I have is the, Heart Interface, Freedom Model 25. There
are two of them and one is offline. I don't have any schematics with me or
location diag! rams.&nb sp; Maybe someone on the forum can help me in
identifying how this system works and where the transfer switches are if there
is such a thing on this coach.
> >>>>
> >>>>My coach is a 1995, WLWB, 42'. There must be a transfer switch somewhere
that senses when shore power is available nad turns the 120 VAC from the
Inverter off. That may be where the problem is.
> >>>>
> >>>>My greatest fear right now is that the Inverter that is still powered up
is producing 16 volts to the batteries. That can't be good for the batteries I
would think. My next fear is that the Inverter that is down will have to be
replaced if it can't be restarted. That will cause me a delay for sure waiting
for one to be shipped in and installed.
> >>>>
> >>>>All the other sytems seem to be okay, except for the LPG gas shut off
valve that I presented to the forum about 2 weeks ago. I have not done anything
about pulling that panel to see if the main shut off valve is turned off. I
don't really have a need so far for it since my generator is now functioning
properly.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any help with this will be appreciated. I am on a WIFI that finally works
as it should. I am in Eugene, Or. at the Shamrock RV park located on Old
Franklin Blvd. just off I-5. Nice cool weather here.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks again for your assistance.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron Thompson -Waller, Tx.
> >>>>1995 WLWB 42'
> >>>>(cockyfox@sbcglobal. net)
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

[Don Bradner]

Makes sense other than that Uniseal is probably Unisteel.

There is a tendency to overinflate these tires - they carry a maximum of 130
psi, and there are those who just go to the max. That would probably be over the
proper (way over for some tire positions) level. Any idea what pressure you were
running, and what the individual axle ends weigh?

On 7/2/2009 at 3:03 PM Karen James wrote:

>As you can tell, I am not "tire literate". All of the numbers are: 315
>535 GRW-93D FO9R DOT MJ72 flaw 2708 Uniseal 80 R 22.5 G670RE, load range
>L If that makes any sense to you.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Don Bradner
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:33:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Goodyear Tires - BAD
>
>
>
>
>
>I can guess what it is, but I'd rather not - what is the missing 3 digit
>number in front of 80 (usually xxx/80) for these tires? That missing
>number is the size, and 80 is just ratio of height to width.
>
>On 7/2/2009 at 7:59 AM Karen James wrote:
>
>>The model number was 80 R 22.5 G670 RE, Load range L.

[RWW]

This statement confuses me ...

... there are those who just go to the max. That would probably be over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.

I have always believed that as tire pressure is increased (up to the max PSI) you increase load capacity and decrease ride quality. In other words, having your tires above the PSI 'needed' for the weight at that position (but not above the max) will NOT increase the probability of tire failure. However, you do sacrifice ride quality.

Roger Webb

91 WL

Cedar Rapids, IA

On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:33 PM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com"> wrote:

of 130 psi, and there are those who just go to the max. That would probably be over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.

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[Don Bradner]

A quote from one of many articles on the topic: "An overinflated tire is stiff
and unyielding and the size of its footprint in contact with the road is
reduced. If a vehicle's tires are overinflated by 6 psi, they could be damaged
more easily when encountering potholes or debris in the road, as well as
experience irregular tread wear."

The 6 psi was in reference to a car tire - equivalent to something like 20-25psi
in our big tires.

Since the proper inflation of a 315/80R22.5 could be as low as 85 (typical tag
axle) or 90 (typical drivers), going to 130 is 40 to 45 lbs too high!

On 7/3/2009 at 7:11 AM RWW wrote:

>This statement confuses me ...
>
>... there are those who just go to the max. That would probably be
>over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.
>
>I have always believed that as tire pressure is increased (up to the
>max PSI) you increase load capacity and decrease ride quality. In
>other words, having your tires above the PSI 'needed' for the weight
>at that position (but not above the max) will NOT increase the
>probability of tire failure. However, you do sacrifice ride quality.
>
>Roger Webb
>91 WL
>Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
>On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:33 PM, "Don Bradner"
>wrote:
>
>> of 130 psi, and there are those who just go to the max. That would
>> probably be over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.

[RWW]

Is a tire inflated to it's max pressure 'overinflated'??

Roger Webb

91 WL

Cedar Rapids, IA

RWW

On Jul 3, 2009, at 11:00 AM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com"> wrote:

A quote from one of many articles on the topic: "An overinflated tire is stiff and unyielding and the size of its footprint in contact with the road is reduced. If a vehicle's tires are overinflated by 6 psi, they could be damaged more easily when encountering potholes or debris in the road, as well as experience irregular tread wear."



The 6 psi was in reference to a car tire - equivalent to something like 20-25psi in our big tires.



Since the proper inflation of a 315/80R22.5 could be as low as 85 (typical tag axle) or 90 (typical drivers), going to 130 is 40 to 45 lbs too high!



On 7/3/2009 at 7:11 AM RWW wrote:



>This statement confuses me ...

>

>... there are those who just go to the max. That would probably be

>over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.

>

>I have always believed that as tire pressure is increased (up to the

>max PSI) you increase load capacity and decrease ride quality. In

>other words, having your tires above the PSI 'needed' for the weight

>at that position (but not above the max) will NOT increase the

>probability of tire failure. However, you do sacrifice ride quality.

>

>Roger Webb

>91 WL

>Cedar Rapids, IA

>

>

>On Jul 2, 2009, at 11:33 PM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com">

>wrote:

>

>> of 130 psi, and there are those who just go to the max. That would

>> probably be over the proper (way over for some tire positions) level.

=