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03-25-2007, 09:55

Bill you are giving some excellent and well needed advice. I was
just at a park in lake worth florida which had low power (98-105
volts) and could have used such a device.

However with that said it is important to get full use of the device
by installing the hardwired device in the correct place and that is
AFTER the transfer switch. Remember if the generator fails for some
reason and the EMS50 defaults you can still switch the transfer
switch to shore power. If the EMS50 is installed after the transfer
switch then it will offer its total capabilities to any power exiting
the transfer switch and going into the distribution panel.

Keep up the good detective work Bill. Now someone should detail with
pictures how to sucessfully install the EMS50 as bill suggests.

tom warner
nashville,tn

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
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> Mike:
> It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or voltage
is out of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and IMHO, I
would want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this
EMS the perfect solution, no, but it is the best there is available
that I have been able to find.
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> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mbulriss <mbulriss@...>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
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> Mike Bulriss
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> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
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> San Antonio, TX
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> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
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> If you plug in your cord and the wires are mixed up, neutral broken
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> or ground not there, the contactor will not pick up thus not giving
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> you any power in the coach.
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> > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
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> > Terrace, B.C. Canada
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> Superslides, Tweety's was about $70 each less than others. When I
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03-25-2007, 12:24

Rob,
If you wire the EMS before the transfer switch, you have to choose
one input for the EMS (shore or generator or invertor). There are
multiple inputs into the transfer switch(es), but should only be one
output to the circuit breaker panel

So for instance if you choose to use the shore power input into the
EMS, generator and invertor are still available, but the coach is
not surge protected from the gen or invertor output.

If you install after the transfer switch, shore, gen, invertor power
introduction into the coach are all checked. I installed on the
shore cable just prior to the transfer switch due to easier install
location with my setup, and also to ensure the two transfer switches
are also protected from a shore power surge. I distrust the shore
power the most.

Dan
94 BB BMC 37' NM

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
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> Bill as I understand it, if you have the EMS wired before the
Transfer
> Switch and either the shore power or the generator malfunction the
> functional one will still be available. In other words, if the
genny started
> putting out funky power this would only cause the genny to be
obstructed.
> Correct shore power would still get through. Is this correct???
>
> On 25/03/07, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
> >
> > Mike:
> > It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or
voltage is out
> > of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> > Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and IMHO,
I would
> > want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this EMS
the perfect
> > solution, no, but it is the best there is available that I have
been able to
> > find.
> >
> > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: mbulriss <mbulriss@... <mbulriss%40yahoo.com>>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > That's why mine is being installed (when I get to it) only on the
> >
> > shore power, so I can still have gen set power.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> >
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> >
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> >
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03-25-2007, 12:28

Leroy,
The 136 second delay is to protect air conditioners that don't
have a built in delay. That way if there is a short power loss or if
the unit shuts down it will allow the AC to bleed the presure down
before starting the compressor. In the permanent surge protector
unit it is adjustable to a shorter setting if your AC units don't
require it.

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
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> And the PT-50-B that I have does the same thing. There is a 136
second (I think) delay as the unit checks the electrical data.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> As for theft, I stay in nice parks.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
>
> Guys:
> One thing with the hardwired unit, it does not function
immediately. If you plug in your cord and the wires are mixed up,
neutral broken or ground not there, the contactor will not pick up
thus not giving you any power in the coach.
>
> AND once plugged in, if there is a problem of any sort the
contactor drops out not giving you any power to the coach.
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:58:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
> As others have noted, Tweety's tends to be the best price around
on a lot of things. I had never heard of them before this EMS thing
came up, but when I went looking for a couple of Kwikee Superslides,
Tweety's was about $70 each less than others. When I ordered I
mentioned they were getting that because of the Wanderlodge deal,
even though I wasn't interested in an EMS.
>
> Oh, their portable 50-amp EMS is $289.98. Their current on the
hardwire is $299.98, and both are listed as sale prices.
>
> On 3/25/2007 at 7:24 AM Howard O. Truitt wrote:
>
> >Gardner,
>
> >I think some of us would rather use the portable Progressive
EMS PT30 or
>
> >PT 50C Surge Protector. One of the great advantages is being
able to
>
> >connect the portable to the outlet and check the outlet and
power before
>
> >pulling in and setting up. How about seeing if a deal could be
arranged
>
> >with Tweety's on the portable units. The going price I have
found on the
>
> >PT 50C is $399.00 S&H included.
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> >Howard Truitt
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> >Camilla, Ga.
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> >86 PT40
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> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
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> Eureka, CA
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03-25-2007, 12:34

My mistype Dan. I installed mine after not before the transfer switch. I
guess my inverter does not go through the transfer switch. When on inverter
I do not get any reading on the EMS display. I do get readings while the gen
or shore power are selected.

On 25/03/07, ac7880 wrote:
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> Rob,
> If you wire the EMS before the transfer switch, you have to choose
> one input for the EMS (shore or generator or invertor). There are
> multiple inputs into the transfer switch(es), but should only be one
> output to the circuit breaker panel
>
> So for instance if you choose to use the shore power input into the
> EMS, generator and invertor are still available, but the coach is
> not surge protected from the gen or invertor output.
>
> If you install after the transfer switch, shore, gen, invertor power
> introduction into the coach are all checked. I installed on the
> shore cable just prior to the transfer switch due to easier install
> location with my setup, and also to ensure the two transfer switches
> are also protected from a shore power surge. I distrust the shore
> power the most.
>
> Dan
> 94 BB BMC 37' NM
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > Bill as I understand it, if you have the EMS wired before the
> Transfer
> > Switch and either the shore power or the generator malfunction the
> > functional one will still be available. In other words, if the
> genny started
> > putting out funky power this would only cause the genny to be
> obstructed.
> > Correct shore power would still get through. Is this correct???
> >
> > On 25/03/07, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike:
> > > It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or
> voltage is out
> > > of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> > > Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and IMHO,
> I would
> > > want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this EMS
> the perfect
> > > solution, no, but it is the best there is available that I have
> been able to
> > > find.
> > >
> > > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: mbulriss <mbulriss@... <mbulriss%40yahoo.com>>
> > > To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Forum%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > That's why mine is being installed (when I get to it) only on the
> > >
> > > shore power, so I can still have gen set power.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > >
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > >
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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03-25-2007, 13:34

Rob , then there must be a transfer switch for the inverter after the
shore - genset transfer switch and closer to the Wanderlodge power
fuse pannel?????

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
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> My mistype Dan. I installed mine after not before the transfer
switch. I
> guess my inverter does not go through the transfer switch. When on
inverter
> I do not get any reading on the EMS display. I do get readings
while the gen
> or shore power are selected.
>
> On 25/03/07, ac7880 wrote:
> >
> > Rob,
> > If you wire the EMS before the transfer switch, you have to choose
> > one input for the EMS (shore or generator or invertor). There are
> > multiple inputs into the transfer switch(es), but should only be
one
> > output to the circuit breaker panel
> >
> > So for instance if you choose to use the shore power input into
the
> > EMS, generator and invertor are still available, but the coach is
> > not surge protected from the gen or invertor output.
> >
> > If you install after the transfer switch, shore, gen, invertor
power
> > introduction into the coach are all checked. I installed on the
> > shore cable just prior to the transfer switch due to easier
install
> > location with my setup, and also to ensure the two transfer
switches
> > are also protected from a shore power surge. I distrust the shore
> > power the most.
> >
> > Dan
> > 94 BB BMC 37' NM
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Rob Robinson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill as I understand it, if you have the EMS wired before the
> > Transfer
> > > Switch and either the shore power or the generator malfunction
the
> > > functional one will still be available. In other words, if the
> > genny started
> > > putting out funky power this would only cause the genny to be
> > obstructed.
> > > Correct shore power would still get through. Is this correct???
> > >
> > > On 25/03/07, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike:
> > > > It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or
> > voltage is out
> > > > of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> > > > Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and
IMHO,
> > I would
> > > > want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this
EMS
> > the perfect
> > > > solution, no, but it is the best there is available that I
have
> > been able to
> > > > find.
> > > >
> > > > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > > > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: mbulriss <mbulriss@ <mbulriss%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > That's why mine is being installed (when I get to it) only on
the
> > > >
> > > > shore power, so I can still have gen set power.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > >
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > >
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> > > >
> > > >
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> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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03-25-2007, 13:59

Sounds possible.

On 25/03/07, Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> Rob , then there must be a transfer switch for the inverter after the
> shore - genset transfer switch and closer to the Wanderlodge power
> fuse pannel?????
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > My mistype Dan. I installed mine after not before the transfer
> switch. I
> > guess my inverter does not go through the transfer switch. When on
> inverter
> > I do not get any reading on the EMS display. I do get readings
> while the gen
> > or shore power are selected.
> >
> > On 25/03/07, ac7880 wrote:
> > >
> > > Rob,
> > > If you wire the EMS before the transfer switch, you have to choose
> > > one input for the EMS (shore or generator or invertor). There are
> > > multiple inputs into the transfer switch(es), but should only be
> one
> > > output to the circuit breaker panel
> > >
> > > So for instance if you choose to use the shore power input into
> the
> > > EMS, generator and invertor are still available, but the coach is
> > > not surge protected from the gen or invertor output.
> > >
> > > If you install after the transfer switch, shore, gen, invertor
> power
> > > introduction into the coach are all checked. I installed on the
> > > shore cable just prior to the transfer switch due to easier
> install
> > > location with my setup, and also to ensure the two transfer
> switches
> > > are also protected from a shore power surge. I distrust the shore
> > > power the most.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > 94 BB BMC 37' NM
> > >
> > > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Rob Robinson"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill as I understand it, if you have the EMS wired before the
> > > Transfer
> > > > Switch and either the shore power or the generator malfunction
> the
> > > > functional one will still be available. In other words, if the
> > > genny started
> > > > putting out funky power this would only cause the genny to be
> > > obstructed.
> > > > Correct shore power would still get through. Is this correct???
> > > >
> > > > On 25/03/07, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike:
> > > > > It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or
> > > voltage is out
> > > > > of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> > > > > Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and
> IMHO,
> > > I would
> > > > > want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this
> EMS
> > > the perfect
> > > > > solution, no, but it is the best there is available that I
> have
> > > been able to
> > > > > find.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > > > > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: mbulriss <mbulriss@ <mbulriss%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's why mine is being installed (when I get to it) only on
> the
> > > > >
> > > > > shore power, so I can still have gen set power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > >
> > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > >
> > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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03-25-2007, 14:03

With all due respect, your input may be absolutely true.

However, I purchased my Surge Protector (that is how it was sold) for one
reason only. To protect against irregular park power, nothing more, nothing
less. . I would not expect it to inspect my power cord for defects or tell me
when my transfer switch is taking a &^%$. I do that. Of course, I cannot see
the connections at the transfer switch.

If I want to start my genset, and I do so twice monthly when plugged into shore
power, I turn off the pedestal breaker and pull the plug. I do not need to know
anything about frequency or depend on an instrument to do it for me. That is
all I am saying. I have been using the Portable for 2 years(about) and
everything is fine.

I know I am off the chart on some things, but it it ain't broke don't fix it. I
have had very good luck with it and until something changes, neither am I.

Frequency to me means how many times I get to walk from the pad to the cooler
for another Lite. LOL

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gardner Yeaw
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C

Leroy,
The 136 second delay is to protect air conditioners that don't
have a built in delay. That way if there is a short power loss or if
the unit shuts down it will allow the AC to bleed the presure down
before starting the compressor. In the permanent surge protector
unit it is adjustable to a shorter setting if your AC units don't
require it.

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> And the PT-50-B that I have does the same thing. There is a 136
second (I think) delay as the unit checks the electrical data.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> As for theft, I stay in nice parks.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
>
> Guys:
> One thing with the hardwired unit, it does not function
immediately. If you plug in your cord and the wires are mixed up,
neutral broken or ground not there, the contactor will not pick up
thus not giving you any power in the coach.
>
> AND once plugged in, if there is a problem of any sort the
contactor drops out not giving you any power to the coach.
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:58:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
> As others have noted, Tweety's tends to be the best price around
on a lot of things. I had never heard of them before this EMS thing
came up, but when I went looking for a couple of Kwikee Superslides,
Tweety's was about $70 each less than others. When I ordered I
mentioned they were getting that because of the Wanderlodge deal,
even though I wasn't interested in an EMS.
>
> Oh, their portable 50-amp EMS is $289.98. Their current on the
hardwire is $299.98, and both are listed as sale prices.
>
> On 3/25/2007 at 7:24 AM Howard O. Truitt wrote:
>
> >Gardner,
>
> >I think some of us would rather use the portable Progressive
EMS PT30 or
>
> >PT 50C Surge Protector. One of the great advantages is being
able to
>
> >connect the portable to the outlet and check the outlet and
power before
>
> >pulling in and setting up. How about seeing if a deal could be
arranged
>
> >with Tweety's on the portable units. The going price I have
found on the
>
> >PT 50C is $399.00 S&H included.
>
> >Howard Truitt
>
> >Camilla, Ga.
>
> >86 PT40
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>
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>
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03-25-2007, 16:23

Gregory,
On some older coaches the transfer switch is located within the inverter and
effects only selected circuits (outlets). Others, older coaches, the transfer
switch is outside the inverter but still only effect selected circuits. This
was because the older inverters could not carry the whole load and had to be
protected by selection.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C

Rob , then there must be a transfer switch for the inverter after the
shore - genset transfer switch and closer to the Wanderlodge power
fuse pannel?????

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob
Robinson"
wrote:
>
> My mistype Dan. I installed mine after not before the transfer
switch. I
> guess my inverter does not go through the transfer switch. When on
inverter
> I do not get any reading on the EMS display. I do get readings
while the gen
> or shore power are selected.
>
> On 25/03/07, ac7880 wrote:
> >
> > Rob,
> > If you wire the EMS before the transfer switch, you have to choose
> > one input for the EMS (shore or generator or invertor). There are
> > multiple inputs into the transfer switch(es), but should only be
one
> > output to the circuit breaker panel
> >
> > So for instance if you choose to use the shore power input into
the
> > EMS, generator and invertor are still available, but the coach is
> > not surge protected from the gen or invertor output.
> >
> > If you install after the transfer switch, shore, gen, invertor
power
> > introduction into the coach are all checked. I installed on the
> > shore cable just prior to the transfer switch due to easier
install
> > location with my setup, and also to ensure the two transfer
switches
> > are also protected from a shore power surge. I distrust the shore
> > power the most.
> >
> > Dan
> > 94 BB BMC 37' NM
> >
> > --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com lodgeForum%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Rob Robinson"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill as I understand it, if you have the EMS wired before the
> > Transfer
> > > Switch and either the shore power or the generator malfunction
the
> > > functional one will still be available. In other words, if the
> > genny started
> > > putting out funky power this would only cause the genny to be
> > obstructed.
> > > Correct shore power would still get through. Is this correct???
> > >
> > > On 25/03/07, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike:
> > > > It also has a feature for frequency, so if the frequency or
> > voltage is out
> > > > of whack on the generator the contactor would not pull in.
> > > > Mike, everyone has there own reasons for doing things, and
IMHO,
> > I would
> > > > want the EMS to protect as much as it is capable of. Is this
EMS
> > the perfect
> > > > solution, no, but it is the best there is available that I
have
> > been able to
> > > > find.
> > > >
> > > > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > > > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: mbulriss <mbulriss@ <mbulriss%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com lodgeForum%
40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:56:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > That's why mine is being installed (when I get to it) only on
the
> > > >
> > > > shore power, so I can still have gen set power.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > >
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > >
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
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03-25-2007, 16:34

As you said Leroy "With all due respect" then "however", I have had the
generator fail me and take out a new tv. Ernie had his plug fail and took out a
bunch of stuff for him just awhile back. In my case it ain't broke now and I
don't want it to become broke. Been there, done that.

Good luck.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Leroy Eckert
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C

With all due respect, your input may be absolutely true.

However, I purchased my Surge Protector (that is how it was sold) for one
reason only. To protect against irregular park power, nothing more, nothing
less. . I would not expect it to inspect my power cord for defects or tell me
when my transfer switch is taking a &^%$. I do that. Of course, I cannot see the
connections at the transfer switch.

If I want to start my genset, and I do so twice monthly when plugged into
shore power, I turn off the pedestal breaker and pull the plug. I do not need to
know anything about frequency or depend on an instrument to do it for me. That
is all I am saying. I have been using the Portable for 2 years(about) and
everything is fine.

I know I am off the chart on some things, but it it ain't broke don't fix it.
I have had very good luck with it and until something changes, neither am I.

Frequency to me means how many times I get to walk from the pad to the cooler
for another Lite. LOL

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gardner Yeaw
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C

Leroy,
The 136 second delay is to protect air conditioners that don't
have a built in delay. That way if there is a short power loss or if
the unit shuts down it will allow the AC to bleed the presure down
before starting the compressor. In the permanent surge protector
unit it is adjustable to a shorter setting if your AC units don't
require it.

Gardner
78FC33

--- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
"Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> And the PT-50-B that I have does the same thing. There is a 136
second (I think) delay as the unit checks the electrical data.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
> As for theft, I stay in nice parks.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
>
> Guys:
> One thing with the hardwired unit, it does not function
immediately. If you plug in your cord and the wires are mixed up,
neutral broken or ground not there, the contactor will not pick up
thus not giving you any power in the coach.
>
> AND once plugged in, if there is a problem of any sort the
contactor drops out not giving you any power to the coach.
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Bradner
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:58:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
> As others have noted, Tweety's tends to be the best price around
on a lot of things. I had never heard of them before this EMS thing
came up, but when I went looking for a couple of Kwikee Superslides,
Tweety's was about $70 each less than others. When I ordered I
mentioned they were getting that because of the Wanderlodge deal,
even though I wasn't interested in an EMS.
>
> Oh, their portable 50-amp EMS is $289.98. Their current on the
hardwire is $299.98, and both are listed as sale prices.
>
> On 3/25/2007 at 7:24 AM Howard O. Truitt wrote:
>
> >Gardner,
>
> >I think some of us would rather use the portable Progressive
EMS PT30 or
>
> >PT 50C Surge Protector. One of the great advantages is being
able to
>
> >connect the portable to the outlet and check the outlet and
power before
>
> >pulling in and setting up. How about seeing if a deal could be
arranged
>
> >with Tweety's on the portable units. The going price I have
found on the
>
> >PT 50C is $399.00 S&H included.
>
> >Howard Truitt
>
> >Camilla, Ga.
>
> >86 PT40
>
> >
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>
> >
>
> >
>
> Don Bradner
>
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>
> Eureka, CA
>
> 
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03-25-2007, 23:33

John,
As I stated earlier you can take the portable PT50C over to the electric
receptacle outlet and check the condition of the current and outlet before
pulling in the site. You don't have to pull into the site get out you cord plug
it in go back in the coach and check the hard wired monitor. Also the Portable
comes with a lockable strap so the monitor is secured to the post. To each his
own.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

>
> From: jvredden@...
> Date: 2007/03/25 Sun PM 01:09:16 EDT
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: EMS 50C
>
> what is the advantage to portable EMS? The hardwire seems pretty straight
> forward ( note, I havent dont it yet). The portable has the potential risk
of
> theft as a downside. If it gets stolen it offers no protection at all.
>
> john redden
> 91 pt40
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