30 AMP OPS

[Leroy Eckert]

Pete:

I'm with you on the body parts completing a curcuit. Don't care for that.
But, maybe I can figure my deal out. It would be helpful if BB gave a
better description of what to expect.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB 40
Niceville, FL



----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Masterson"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 30 AMP OPS


Bill,

This is great information --- and makes good sense to me. I really
appreciate it as it didn't make sense to me that two 30 amp breakers
would trip with 16 amps load on each... or 30 and 1, etc.

I'll have to poke around at the cook top to see what voltage it
operates with (I assumed that it was 220 as it's a 2-burner version
of a 4 burner cook top I had prior to converting my home to a gas
range). I suppose, however, that it could be 110v as it only has half
(or less) the demand of the 4 burner home version. Hopefully I can
find the papers on the cook top in the blue box as the manufacturer's
plate (if it is present) is inaccessible without disassembling stuff.

I have a strong respect for electrical devices and so far I have
successfully avoided completing any circuits with any parts of my
body involved --- and I plan to keep it that way!

Pete Masterson
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'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 4203
El Sobrante, CA




On Aug 13, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> The wiring that we have in our homes and also in our BB is all
> single phase wiring. Very rarly would one find 3 phase wiring
> other than in either a commercial or industrial application.
> We use single phase power, with two legs.
>
>
> "with your 30amp 220 volt breaker at the house you have 30 amp
> available on each leg (red,black) but not at the same time, you can
> draw 30 amps through that breaker total. Ie: 30 on one leg and
> zero on the other, or 15 and 15, or run a total of 30*110 =- 3300
> watts. By design the breaker will trip if you draw more than 30
> amps in any combination.
>
> This is false. In a 220 volt circuit, in which you have 2 legs,
> it is possible to draw a total of 30 amps * 220 volts for a total
> of 6600 watts. HOWEVER, each LEG is only designed to carry a total
> of 30 amps * 110 volts or 3300 watts., so if one leg is overloaded
> it will trip both breakers.
<snip>


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[John Suter]

Hi Leroy,

> Thanks, If I understand correctly the 50amp factory
> male has 4 wires, two legs, one shared neutral and a
> ground.

Correct.

> If the 30 amp to 50 amp female were to
> power both bus legs the female 50 amp wiring
> connection would be ground, neutral and black ( 3rd
> wire) split to the two other posts.

Correct. This is the short (maybe 15" connector BB
normally provides).

> That would give
> me 15 amps per leg?

No, that will provide 30 amps total for both legs,
any way you wish to distribute it over the 2 legs.
0-30, 30-0, 15-15, etc.

> Like I said I have never
> really studied 110 and phases and such. Guess I
> better get at it, or purchase a 50amp to 30 amp
> connector so that I can get 2 legs in my
> configuration if I ever need it.

Correct, the easiest way, and the most used as well.
I assume you already have the other required
connection: a 30A female to plug into the coach aux
connection and the 30 male plug that is at its other
end. Usually, BB has wrapped the female end in yellow
tape to differentiate it.

> It really doesn't
> make sense for leg one to go away if the aux power
> leg two is sensed but it appears that is the way it
> is wired.

Well, to many it does, as it permits 60 amps to be
provided when the 50A (really 100A) is not available.
With this methodology, each leg has up to 30 amps for
a total of up to 60A. Otherwise, 30 is shared between
both legs, as explained above. Nevertheless, that is
the way most BB automatically-switched-systems work.

> Thanks for the help. If you can figure
> it out I think iI can wire it.

Again, you don't have to wire anything. Just
purchase the 30 male to 50 female connection that BB
normally provides and apparently you did not receive.

> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL

John Suter
Jacksonville, FL


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Suter
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>
>
> Hi again, Leroy.
>
> We probably need to modify a few minor items.
> Generically, the 50 amp male shore connection is
> 110-120v, not quite the same 220-240v as you
> likely
> have in your home at your electric dryer and that
> is
> typically why the male-female plugs for the dryer
> are
> different from the ones you find in the Bird;
> although, if the pedestal legs feeding the Bird
> are
> out of phase with one another, 220-240V will be
> present when measured from leg 1 to leg 2. (This
> "out
> of phase" condition which results in 240V should
> not
> be confused with "3-phase, 208V," although the
> engineering concept is similar; 3-phase equipment,
> mostly motors, must be specifically engineered to
> run
> on three-phase current). Nevertheless, I am
> unaware
> of any Birds 2004 or earlier that require, or use,
> 240V for appliances, although the generator
> will/does
> produce it.
>
> Your hypothetical #1, accomplishes what the
> normally
> BB-provided 30A-male to 50A-female connector is
> designed for, except it is internally wired to
> feed
> both legs of 50A male and thus both legs of the
> main
> panel, as long as no power is detected at the aux
> connection. On many Birds, when power is detected
> at
> the aux, one leg of the main panel will
> automatically
> transfer to become powered solely by the aux feed,
> while the other remains unchanged and fed thru the
> 50A
> cord, however it is fed.
>
> > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent 240
> > male shore cable
> > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> That
> > should give me 30
> > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux connection
> into
> > either another
> > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> 30amps
> > or 20 amps
> > respectively on leg 2.
>
> Best regards,
>
> John Suter
>
>
> --- jwasnewski wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks: Thanks to all of you who responded to
> my
> > inquiry. I think
> > each of you have it correct, now I would like a
> > double check,
> > please. Been out at the bus for cleaning,
> > polishing, inspecting
> > etc. I studied my maunal on 30 AMP ops. It's
> > rather vague, but here
> > is what I think.
> > I have a 30 amp aux connection which powers my
> Leg
> > 2. My 50amp 240
> > permanent connector powers everything, both 120
> > legs. That should be
> > 100amps. The manual calls for having adaptors
> which
> > I do not have.
> > I think I can do the following:
> >
> > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent 240
> > male shore cable
> > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> That
> > should give me 30
> > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux connection
> into
> > either another
> > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> 30amps
> > or 20 amps
> > respectively on leg 2. In my configuration, I
> think
> > it is the only
> > way to get 2 legs of any kind of power. My
> > inverter/charger runs off
> > leg 1. Then I gotta really manage power in the
> > summer.
> >
> > 2. The 240amp female has a ground, a
> > white(neutral) X & Y
> > connections representing 2 120 legs, I think. I
> > would need to
> > determine whether X or Y on my permanent shore
> power
> > cable powers leg
> > 1 in the bus when I wire it to a 30 amp plug.
> >
> > I do not plan to use this configuration but I
> would
> > like to be ready
> > to do so if needed.
> >
> > I handle 12v very well, 120v not as well. Does
> the
> > foregoing sound
> > correct?
> >
> > So that very faint humming noise I here when
> > everyone is asleep is
> > the transfer switch. I was about to go searching
> for
> > the source. Now
> > I won't.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Leroy Eckert]

John:

OK, I think I have it.

Everything works in my coach, have had very few problems other than light bulbs
etc. I didn't want to start plugging in cables and create stray voltage and
cremate one or more of a gazillion relays in the bus. I'm sure that could
happen and cause me all kinds of %$#@.

Strange things can happen. Short story. Four years ago I purchased a 56" HD
wide screen TV. Didn't need it but thought I did. Living in an area where
electrical storms are common, you live there also, I plugged it into a constant
voltage transformer and a surge suppression device. Two months ago we had one
of those storms. It cremated the transformer, the surge suppresion device and
the TV. Fortunately, I purchased an extended warranty. The $69.00 pool TV on
24/7 and doubles as a night light outside made it through. Go figure. I guess
what I'm saying is, my beautiful coach is without warranty and I am very
careful.

As always, the forum has come through again with its knowledge and experience.
Very educational. Hopefully it will help others.

This forum is like Fox news. You report, we decide.

Thanks again.

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40
Niceville, FL







----- Original Message -----
From: John Suter
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS


Hi Leroy,

> Thanks, If I understand correctly the 50amp factory
> male has 4 wires, two legs, one shared neutral and a
> ground.

Correct.

> If the 30 amp to 50 amp female were to
> power both bus legs the female 50 amp wiring
> connection would be ground, neutral and black ( 3rd
> wire) split to the two other posts.

Correct. This is the short (maybe 15" connector BB
normally provides).

> That would give
> me 15 amps per leg?

No, that will provide 30 amps total for both legs,
any way you wish to distribute it over the 2 legs.
0-30, 30-0, 15-15, etc.

> Like I said I have never
> really studied 110 and phases and such. Guess I
> better get at it, or purchase a 50amp to 30 amp
> connector so that I can get 2 legs in my
> configuration if I ever need it.

Correct, the easiest way, and the most used as well.
I assume you already have the other required
connection: a 30A female to plug into the coach aux
connection and the 30 male plug that is at its other
end. Usually, BB has wrapped the female end in yellow
tape to differentiate it.

> It really doesn't
> make sense for leg one to go away if the aux power
> leg two is sensed but it appears that is the way it
> is wired.

Well, to many it does, as it permits 60 amps to be
provided when the 50A (really 100A) is not available.
With this methodology, each leg has up to 30 amps for
a total of up to 60A. Otherwise, 30 is shared between
both legs, as explained above. Nevertheless, that is
the way most BB automatically-switched-systems work.

> Thanks for the help. If you can figure
> it out I think iI can wire it.

Again, you don't have to wire anything. Just
purchase the 30 male to 50 female connection that BB
normally provides and apparently you did not receive.

> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL

John Suter
Jacksonville, FL

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Suter
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>
>
> Hi again, Leroy.
>
> We probably need to modify a few minor items.
> Generically, the 50 amp male shore connection is
> 110-120v, not quite the same 220-240v as you
> likely
> have in your home at your electric dryer and that
> is
> typically why the male-female plugs for the dryer
> are
> different from the ones you find in the Bird;
> although, if the pedestal legs feeding the Bird
> are
> out of phase with one another, 220-240V will be
> present when measured from leg 1 to leg 2. (This
> "out
> of phase" condition which results in 240V should
> not
> be confused with "3-phase, 208V," although the
> engineering concept is similar; 3-phase equipment,
> mostly motors, must be specifically engineered to
> run
> on three-phase current). Nevertheless, I am
> unaware
> of any Birds 2004 or earlier that require, or use,
> 240V for appliances, although the generator
> will/does
> produce it.
>
> Your hypothetical #1, accomplishes what the
> normally
> BB-provided 30A-male to 50A-female connector is
> designed for, except it is internally wired to
> feed
> both legs of 50A male and thus both legs of the
> main
> panel, as long as no power is detected at the aux
> connection. On many Birds, when power is detected
> at
> the aux, one leg of the main panel will
> automatically
> transfer to become powered solely by the aux feed,
> while the other remains unchanged and fed thru the
> 50A
> cord, however it is fed.
>
> > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent 240
> > male shore cable
> > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> That
> > should give me 30
> > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux connection
> into
> > either another
> > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> 30amps
> > or 20 amps
> > respectively on leg 2.
>
> Best regards,
>
> John Suter
>
>
> --- jwasnewski wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks: Thanks to all of you who responded to
> my
> > inquiry. I think
> > each of you have it correct, now I would like a
> > double check,
> > please. Been out at the bus for cleaning,
> > polishing, inspecting
> > etc. I studied my maunal on 30 AMP ops. It's
> > rather vague, but here
> > is what I think.
> > I have a 30 amp aux connection which powers my
> Leg
> > 2. My 50amp 240
> > permanent connector powers everything, both 120
> > legs. That should be
> > 100amps. The manual calls for having adaptors
> which
> > I do not have.
> > I think I can do the following:
> >
> > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent 240
> > male shore cable
> > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> That
> > should give me 30
> > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux connection
> into
> > either another
> > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> 30amps
> > or 20 amps
> > respectively on leg 2. In my configuration, I
> think
> > it is the only
> > way to get 2 legs of any kind of power. My
> > inverter/charger runs off
> > leg 1. Then I gotta really manage power in the
> > summer.
> >
> > 2. The 240amp female has a ground, a
> > white(neutral) X & Y
> > connections representing 2 120 legs, I think. I
> > would need to
> > determine whether X or Y on my permanent shore
> power
> > cable powers leg
> > 1 in the bus when I wire it to a 30 amp plug.
> >
> > I do not plan to use this configuration but I
> would
> > like to be ready
> > to do so if needed.
> >
> > I handle 12v very well, 120v not as well. Does
> the
> > foregoing sound
> > correct?
> >
> > So that very faint humming noise I here when
> > everyone is asleep is
> > the transfer switch. I was about to go searching
> for
> > the source. Now
> > I won't.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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[Pete Masterson]

Bill,
We're reserved and plan to be there. We'll be staying at Morro Bay
(Bay Pines RV Park) the night before (with only 30 Amps available).
So this discussion of "cheater cords" etc. is quite beneficial. Good
thing the generator is pretty quiet from inside the coach...

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 4203
El Sobrante, CA




On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:

> Pete:
> you going to the Beullton rally in late October??
> Bill
>
> Pete Masterson wrote:
> Bill,
>
> This is great information --- and makes good sense to me. I really
> appreciate it as it didn't make sense to me that two 30 amp breakers
> would trip with 16 amps load on each... or 30 and 1, etc.
>
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[John Suter]

Morning Leroy,

Nowhere (in your posts) have I heard about your
having a 50 amp surge protector (I recommend external)
which can be the greatest protection for electronics
in your coach as it won't be only the relays which
will be cremated if you take a surge.

The 240,000 volt line crossing our property once
fell through the 240V house feed, scorching driveway
concrete and attic 2x8's, taking out virtually every
house appliance, but the coach was protected by a $400
surge protector and was unharmed. Best $400 of
insurance I ever purchased. Power company just
laughed when I filed a damage claim with them.

John Suter



--- Leroy Eckert wrote:

>
> John:
>
> OK, I think I have it.
>
> Everything works in my coach, have had very few
> problems other than light bulbs etc. I didn't want
> to start plugging in cables and create stray voltage
> and cremate one or more of a gazillion relays in
> the bus. I'm sure that could happen and cause me
> all kinds of %$#@.
>
> Strange things can happen. Short story. Four years
> ago I purchased a 56" HD wide screen TV. Didn't
> need it but thought I did. Living in an area where
> electrical storms are common, you live there also,
> I plugged it into a constant voltage transformer and
> a surge suppression device. Two months ago we had
> one of those storms. It cremated the transformer,
> the surge suppresion device and the TV.
> Fortunately, I purchased an extended warranty. The
> $69.00 pool TV on 24/7 and doubles as a night light
> outside made it through. Go figure. I guess what
> I'm saying is, my beautiful coach is without
> warranty and I am very careful.
>
> As always, the forum has come through again with
> its knowledge and experience. Very educational.
> Hopefully it will help others.
>
> This forum is like Fox news. You report, we decide.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Suter
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>
>
> Hi Leroy,
>
> > Thanks, If I understand correctly the 50amp
> factory
> > male has 4 wires, two legs, one shared neutral
> and a
> > ground.
>
> Correct.
>
> > If the 30 amp to 50 amp female were to
> > power both bus legs the female 50 amp wiring
> > connection would be ground, neutral and black (
> 3rd
> > wire) split to the two other posts.
>
> Correct. This is the short (maybe 15" connector BB
> normally provides).
>
> > That would give
> > me 15 amps per leg?
>
> No, that will provide 30 amps total for both legs,
> any way you wish to distribute it over the 2 legs.
> 0-30, 30-0, 15-15, etc.
>
> > Like I said I have never
> > really studied 110 and phases and such. Guess I
> > better get at it, or purchase a 50amp to 30 amp
> > connector so that I can get 2 legs in my
> > configuration if I ever need it.
>
> Correct, the easiest way, and the most used as
> well.
> I assume you already have the other required
> connection: a 30A female to plug into the coach
> aux
> connection and the 30 male plug that is at its
> other
> end. Usually, BB has wrapped the female end in
> yellow
> tape to differentiate it.
>
> > It really doesn't
> > make sense for leg one to go away if the aux
> power
> > leg two is sensed but it appears that is the way
> it
> > is wired.
>
> Well, to many it does, as it permits 60 amps to be
> provided when the 50A (really 100A) is not
> available.
> With this methodology, each leg has up to 30 amps
> for
> a total of up to 60A. Otherwise, 30 is shared
> between
> both legs, as explained above. Nevertheless, that
> is
> the way most BB automatically-switched-systems
> work.
>
> > Thanks for the help. If you can figure
> > it out I think iI can wire it.
>
> Again, you don't have to wire anything. Just
> purchase the 30 male to 50 female connection that
> BB
> normally provides and apparently you did not
> receive.
>
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB40
> > Niceville, FL
>
> John Suter
> Jacksonville, FL
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Suter
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
> >
> >
> > Hi again, Leroy.
> >
> > We probably need to modify a few minor items.
> > Generically, the 50 amp male shore connection is
> > 110-120v, not quite the same 220-240v as you
> > likely
> > have in your home at your electric dryer and
> that
> > is
> > typically why the male-female plugs for the
> dryer
> > are
> > different from the ones you find in the Bird;
> > although, if the pedestal legs feeding the Bird
> > are
> > out of phase with one another, 220-240V will be
> > present when measured from leg 1 to leg 2. (This
> > "out
> > of phase" condition which results in 240V should
> > not
> > be confused with "3-phase, 208V," although the
> > engineering concept is similar; 3-phase
> equipment,
> > mostly motors, must be specifically engineered
> to
> > run
> > on three-phase current). Nevertheless, I am
> > unaware
> > of any Birds 2004 or earlier that require, or
> use,
> > 240V for appliances, although the generator
> > will/does
> > produce it.
> >
> > Your hypothetical #1, accomplishes what the
> > normally
> > BB-provided 30A-male to 50A-female connector is
> > designed for, except it is internally wired to
> > feed
> > both legs of 50A male and thus both legs of the
> > main
> > panel, as long as no power is detected at the
> aux
> > connection. On many Birds, when power is
> detected
> > at
> > the aux, one leg of the main panel will
> > automatically
> > transfer to become powered solely by the aux
> feed,
> > while the other remains unchanged and fed thru
> the
> > 50A
> > cord, however it is fed.
> >
> > > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent
> 240
> > > male shore cable
> > > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> > That
> > > should give me 30
> > > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux
> connection
> > into
> > > either another
> > > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> > 30amps
> > > or 20 amps
> > > respectively on leg 2.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > John Suter
> >
> >
> > --- jwasnewski wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks: Thanks to all of you who responded
> to
> > my
> > > inquiry. I think
> > > each of you have it correct, now I would like
> a
> > > double check,
> > > please. Been out at the bus for cleaning,
> > > polishing, inspecting
> > > etc. I studied my maunal on 30 AMP ops. It's
> > > rather vague, but here
> > > is what I think.
> > > I have a 30 amp aux connection which powers my
> > Leg
> > > 2. My 50amp 240
> > > permanent connector powers everything, both
> 120
> > > legs. That should be
> > > 100amps. The manual calls for having adaptors
> > which
> > > I do not have.
> > > I think I can do the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent
> 240
> > > male shore cable
> > > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> > That
> > > should give me 30
> > > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux
> connection
> > into
> > > either another
> > > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> > 30amps
> > > or 20 amps
> > > respectively on leg 2. In my configuration, I
> > think
> > > it is the only
> > > way to get 2 legs of any kind of power. My
> > > inverter/charger runs off
> > > leg 1. Then I gotta really manage power in the
> > > summer.
> > >
> > > 2. The 240amp female has a ground, a
> > > white(neutral) X & Y
> > > connections representing 2 120 legs, I think.
> I
> > > would need to
> > > determine whether X or Y on my permanent shore
> > power
> > > cable powers leg
> > > 1 in the bus when I wire it to a 30 amp plug.
> > >
> > > I do not plan to use this configuration but I
> > would
> > > like to be ready
> > > to do so if needed.
> > >
> > > I handle 12v very well, 120v not as well. Does
> > the
> > > foregoing sound
> > > correct?
> > >
> > > So that very faint humming noise I here when
> > > everyone is asleep is
> > > the transfer switch. I was about to go
> searching
> > for
> > > the source. Now
> > > I won't.
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB40
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[g_man1146]

Hi Tom,

I don't know what year the change was made but my '99 has the single
(retractable) 50 amp cord which, of course, can be plugged into a
30a outlet with an adapter. It also comes with ONE 30 amp cord and
when that one is plugged in at the same time as the 50A with
adapter, a relay lifts one leg from the 50 amp cord and connects it
to the 30 amp cord. Thus giving you a 30+30 setup rather than a 30.

Rich D. '99LXi43' CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> All wanderlodges that I have seen have one 50 amp plug and two 30
amp
> plugs. The 50 amp plug serves both leg one and leg two (with the
main
> switch set to shore 50). One 30 amp plug serves the drivers side
of
> the coach and the other 30 amp plug serves the passenger side
(with
> the main switch set to shore 30). On the forward controls the
drivers
> side 30 amp plug serves the chargers and on the PTs the passenger
> side plug serves the chargers. To ensure that you can charge using
30
> amps just make sure you are plugged into the correct 30 amp plug.
>
> Tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Hi John:

The external surge protector you have is attached to your bus cord then to the
pedestal? Is is waterproof? Where did you purchase it? Thanks for the help

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL







----- Original Message -----
From: John Suter
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS


Morning Leroy,

Nowhere (in your posts) have I heard about your
having a 50 amp surge protector (I recommend external)
which can be the greatest protection for electronics
in your coach as it won't be only the relays which
will be cremated if you take a surge.

The 240,000 volt line crossing our property once
fell through the 240V house feed, scorching driveway
concrete and attic 2x8's, taking out virtually every
house appliance, but the coach was protected by a $400
surge protector and was unharmed. Best $400 of
insurance I ever purchased. Power company just
laughed when I filed a damage claim with them.

John Suter

--- Leroy Eckert wrote:

>
> John:
>
> OK, I think I have it.
>
> Everything works in my coach, have had very few
> problems other than light bulbs etc. I didn't want
> to start plugging in cables and create stray voltage
> and cremate one or more of a gazillion relays in
> the bus. I'm sure that could happen and cause me
> all kinds of %$#@.
>
> Strange things can happen. Short story. Four years
> ago I purchased a 56" HD wide screen TV. Didn't
> need it but thought I did. Living in an area where
> electrical storms are common, you live there also,
> I plugged it into a constant voltage transformer and
> a surge suppression device. Two months ago we had
> one of those storms. It cremated the transformer,
> the surge suppresion device and the TV.
> Fortunately, I purchased an extended warranty. The
> $69.00 pool TV on 24/7 and doubles as a night light
> outside made it through. Go figure. I guess what
> I'm saying is, my beautiful coach is without
> warranty and I am very careful.
>
> As always, the forum has come through again with
> its knowledge and experience. Very educational.
> Hopefully it will help others.
>
> This forum is like Fox news. You report, we decide.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Suter
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>
>
> Hi Leroy,
>
> > Thanks, If I understand correctly the 50amp
> factory
> > male has 4 wires, two legs, one shared neutral
> and a
> > ground.
>
> Correct.
>
> > If the 30 amp to 50 amp female were to
> > power both bus legs the female 50 amp wiring
> > connection would be ground, neutral and black (
> 3rd
> > wire) split to the two other posts.
>
> Correct. This is the short (maybe 15" connector BB
> normally provides).
>
> > That would give
> > me 15 amps per leg?
>
> No, that will provide 30 amps total for both legs,
> any way you wish to distribute it over the 2 legs.
> 0-30, 30-0, 15-15, etc.
>
> > Like I said I have never
> > really studied 110 and phases and such. Guess I
> > better get at it, or purchase a 50amp to 30 amp
> > connector so that I can get 2 legs in my
> > configuration if I ever need it.
>
> Correct, the easiest way, and the most used as
> well.
> I assume you already have the other required
> connection: a 30A female to plug into the coach
> aux
> connection and the 30 male plug that is at its
> other
> end. Usually, BB has wrapped the female end in
> yellow
> tape to differentiate it.
>
> > It really doesn't
> > make sense for leg one to go away if the aux
> power
> > leg two is sensed but it appears that is the way
> it
> > is wired.
>
> Well, to many it does, as it permits 60 amps to be
> provided when the 50A (really 100A) is not
> available.
> With this methodology, each leg has up to 30 amps
> for
> a total of up to 60A. Otherwise, 30 is shared
> between
> both legs, as explained above. Nevertheless, that
> is
> the way most BB automatically-switched-systems
> work.
>
> > Thanks for the help. If you can figure
> > it out I think iI can wire it.
>
> Again, you don't have to wire anything. Just
> purchase the 30 male to 50 female connection that
> BB
> normally provides and apparently you did not
> receive.
>
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB40
> > Niceville, FL
>
> John Suter
> Jacksonville, FL
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Suter
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
> >
> >
> > Hi again, Leroy.
> >
> > We probably need to modify a few minor items.
> > Generically, the 50 amp male shore connection is
> > 110-120v, not quite the same 220-240v as you
> > likely
> > have in your home at your electric dryer and
> that
> > is
> > typically why the male-female plugs for the
> dryer
> > are
> > different from the ones you find in the Bird;
> > although, if the pedestal legs feeding the Bird
> > are
> > out of phase with one another, 220-240V will be
> > present when measured from leg 1 to leg 2. (This
> > "out
> > of phase" condition which results in 240V should
> > not
> > be confused with "3-phase, 208V," although the
> > engineering concept is similar; 3-phase
> equipment,
> > mostly motors, must be specifically engineered
> to
> > run
> > on three-phase current). Nevertheless, I am
> > unaware
> > of any Birds 2004 or earlier that require, or
> use,
> > 240V for appliances, although the generator
> > will/does
> > produce it.
> >
> > Your hypothetical #1, accomplishes what the
> > normally
> > BB-provided 30A-male to 50A-female connector is
> > designed for, except it is internally wired to
> > feed
> > both legs of 50A male and thus both legs of the
> > main
> > panel, as long as no power is detected at the
> aux
> > connection. On many Birds, when power is
> detected
> > at
> > the aux, one leg of the main panel will
> > automatically
> > transfer to become powered solely by the aux
> feed,
> > while the other remains unchanged and fed thru
> the
> > 50A
> > cord, however it is fed.
> >
> > > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent
> 240
> > > male shore cable
> > > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> > That
> > > should give me 30
> > > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux
> connection
> > into
> > > either another
> > > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> > 30amps
> > > or 20 amps
> > > respectively on leg 2.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > John Suter
> >
> >
> > --- jwasnewski wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks: Thanks to all of you who responded
> to
> > my
> > > inquiry. I think
> > > each of you have it correct, now I would like
> a
> > > double check,
> > > please. Been out at the bus for cleaning,
> > > polishing, inspecting
> > > etc. I studied my maunal on 30 AMP ops. It's
> > > rather vague, but here
> > > is what I think.
> > > I have a 30 amp aux connection which powers my
> > Leg
> > > 2. My 50amp 240
> > > permanent connector powers everything, both
> 120
> > > legs. That should be
> > > 100amps. The manual calls for having adaptors
> > which
> > > I do not have.
> > > I think I can do the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Purchase a 240 female to fit my permanent
> 240
> > > male shore cable
> > > and wire one leg in it to a 30amp shore plug.
> > That
> > > should give me 30
> > > amps on leg 1 then plug my 30amp aux
> connection
> > into
> > > either another
> > > 30amp shore power or 20amp shore power to get
> > 30amps
> > > or 20 amps
> > > respectively on leg 2. In my configuration, I
> > think
> > > it is the only
> > > way to get 2 legs of any kind of power. My
> > > inverter/charger runs off
> > > leg 1. Then I gotta really manage power in the
> > > summer.
> > >
> > > 2. The 240amp female has a ground, a
> > > white(neutral) X & Y
> > > connections representing 2 120 legs, I think.
> I
> > > would need to
> > > determine whether X or Y on my permanent shore
> > power
> > > cable powers leg
> > > 1 in the bus when I wire it to a 30 amp plug.
> > >
> > > I do not plan to use this configuration but I
> > would
> > > like to be ready
> > > to do so if needed.
> > >
> > > I handle 12v very well, 120v not as well. Does
> > the
> > > foregoing sound
> > > correct?
> > >
> > > So that very faint humming noise I here when
> > > everyone is asleep is
> > > the transfer switch. I was about to go
> searching
> > for
> > > the source. Now
> > > I won't.
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB40
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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[Leroy Eckert]

Thanks to all, ya'll do a fabulous job.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville,FL



----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS


In a message dated 8/13/2006 7:01:11 PM Central Daylight Time,
jwasnewski@... writes:

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We will keep doing our part- giving out information that we have learned or
gleaned from others for FREE. No subscription required!!
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83 PT40
Livingston, Montana

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