Generator Won't Start?

[one_dusty_hoot]

Mike,
You gotta a cell phone?
I am 'bout the bottom of my tech support bucket, but
who knows?, may be a scrap left?
ate,sicks,fore-for,three,oh!-one,too,zero,1
Got it?. call me,Bob


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
> long ways from the coach?
> Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
> the computer?
> Ah heck!...Just funning you.
> Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.
>
> Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!
>
> Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
> if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
> chamber.
>
> This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
> getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
> Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
> causing a greater load on the starter.
>
> In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
> turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?
>
> 1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
> 2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
> till it starts running.
> 3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
> own after being started.
>
> What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
> as long as we both understand the communication.
>
> Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
> attempts?
> Bob
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> > newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> > of meat on the platter.
> >
> > Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
> >
> > Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> > the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> > operate a regulator. No output control?
> >
> > This is a diesel motor, right?
> > You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> > Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
> >
> > You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> > Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> > at either on of the glow plugs.
> >
> > Got voltage? Good!
> > No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> > Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> > Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> > Fuel at the injector pump?
> > Good!
> > Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> > in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> > If the starter spins fast,and
> > There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> > There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> > There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> > The engine still won't start
> > There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> > is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> > the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> > if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> > or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
> >
> > Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> > from you.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned
> the
> > > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
> switch
> > > (which is to the ground)
> > > It sat a week and then would not start.
> > >
> > > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but I
> > will
> > > check to see if one is stuck
> > >
> > > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> > > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is
ok
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > > >
> > > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > > >
> > > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > > to stop?
> > > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > > center.
> > > >
> > > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it
actually
> > > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> <mbulriss@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually
pulling
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> > > fuel.
> > > > > Have
> > > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at
the
> > > output
> > > > > side
> > > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings
to
> > > make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak
on
> a
> > > > older
> > > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump.
> Spent
> > > > hours
> > > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the
fuel
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> > > > solenoid
> > > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the
> > fuel
> > > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
> don't
> > > see
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
> > > inside
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > box....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does
it
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the
engine
> > > turns
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > > solenoid
> > > > > lever
> > > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates
> the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> > > pulling
> > > > > in.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box
and
> > see
> > > if
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know
this
> > for
> > > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft
of
> a
> > > > diesel
> > > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
> > > could
> > > > > push it
> > > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until
the
> > > > > coolant
> > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
> being
> > > > > said,
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
> think
> > > we
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component
voltage
> > > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> > engine
> > > to
> > > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are
experiencing.
> I
> > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen.
set
> > > > tested.
> > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The
next
> > > time
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > > > alternator
> > > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > > necessary
> > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
> sitting
> > > > (lack
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
> alternator.
> > > The
> > > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced
with
> a
> > > > > Newage
> > > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

513-382-9979


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Mike,
> You gotta a cell phone?
> I am 'bout the bottom of my tech support bucket, but
> who knows?, may be a scrap left?
> ate,sicks,fore-for,three,oh!-one,too,zero,1
> Got it?. call me,Bob
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
> > long ways from the coach?
> > Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
> > the computer?
> > Ah heck!...Just funning you.
> > Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.
> >
> > Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!
> >
> > Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
> > if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
> > chamber.
> >
> > This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
> > getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
> > Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
> > causing a greater load on the starter.
> >
> > In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
> > turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?
> >
> > 1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
> > 2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
> > till it starts running.
> > 3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
> > own after being started.
> >
> > What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
> > as long as we both understand the communication.
> >
> > Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
> > attempts?
> > Bob
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> > > newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> > > of meat on the platter.
> > >
> > > Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
> > >
> > > Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> > > the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> > > operate a regulator. No output control?
> > >
> > > This is a diesel motor, right?
> > > You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> > > Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
> > >
> > > You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> > > Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> > > at either on of the glow plugs.
> > >
> > > Got voltage? Good!
> > > No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> > > Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> > > Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> > > Fuel at the injector pump?
> > > Good!
> > > Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> > > in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> > > If the starter spins fast,and
> > > There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> > > There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> > > There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> > > The engine still won't start
> > > There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> > > is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> > > the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> > > if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> > > or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
> > >
> > > Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> > > from you.
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have
turned
> > the
> > > > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
> > switch
> > > > (which is to the ground)
> > > > It sat a week and then would not start.
> > > >
> > > > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box
but I
> > > will
> > > > check to see if one is stuck
> > > >
> > > > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced
it
> > > > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it
is
> ok
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > > > to stop?
> > > > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > > > center.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > > > right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it
> actually
> > > > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> > <mbulriss@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually
> pulling
> > > the
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are
getting
> > > > fuel.
> > > > > > Have
> > > > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at
> the
> > > > output
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line
fittings
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a
leak
> on
> > a
> > > > > older
> > > > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector
pump.
> > Spent
> > > > > hours
> > > > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the
> fuel
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the
fuel
> > > > > solenoid
> > > > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear
the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button?
I
> > don't
> > > > see
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is
good
> > > > inside
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > box....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start".
Does
> it
> > > > try
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the
> engine
> > > > turns
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the
fuel
> > > > solenoid
> > > > > > lever
> > > > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that
eliminates
> > the
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid
is
> > > > pulling
> > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box
> and
> > > see
> > > > if
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know
> this
> > > for
> > > > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the
crankshaft
> of
> > a
> > > > > diesel
> > > > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power
and
> > > > could
> > > > > > push it
> > > > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run
until
> the
> > > > > > coolant
> > > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up.
That
> > being
> > > > > > said,
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem.
I
> > think
> > > > we
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component
> voltage
> > > > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the
gen.
> > > engine
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are
> experiencing.
> > I
> > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen.
> set
> > > > > tested.
> > > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The
> next
> > > > time
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace
the
> > > > > > alternator
> > > > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > > > necessary
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
> > sitting
> > > > > (lack
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
> > alternator.
> > > > The
> > > > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced
> with
> > a
> > > > > > Newage
> > > > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

turns over the same as is always has

#2

Mike

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
> long ways from the coach?
> Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
> the computer?
> Ah heck!...Just funning you.
> Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.
>
> Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!
>
> Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
> if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
> chamber.
>
> This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
> getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
> Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
> causing a greater load on the starter.
>
> In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
> turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?
>
> 1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
> 2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
> till it starts running.
> 3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
> own after being started.
>
> What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
> as long as we both understand the communication.
>
> Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
> attempts?
> Bob
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> > newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> > of meat on the platter.
> >
> > Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
> >
> > Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> > the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> > operate a regulator. No output control?
> >
> > This is a diesel motor, right?
> > You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> > Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
> >
> > You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> > Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> > at either on of the glow plugs.
> >
> > Got voltage? Good!
> > No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> > Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> > Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> > Fuel at the injector pump?
> > Good!
> > Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> > in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> > If the starter spins fast,and
> > There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> > There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> > There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> > The engine still won't start
> > There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> > is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> > the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> > if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> > or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
> >
> > Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> > from you.
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned
> the
> > > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
> switch
> > > (which is to the ground)
> > > It sat a week and then would not start.
> > >
> > > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but
I
> > will
> > > check to see if one is stuck
> > >
> > > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> > > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is
ok
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > > >
> > > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > > >
> > > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > > to stop?
> > > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > > center.
> > > >
> > > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it
actually
> > > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
> <mbulriss@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually
pulling
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> > > fuel.
> > > > > Have
> > > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at
the
> > > output
> > > > > side
> > > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings
to
> > > make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak
on
> a
> > > > older
> > > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump.
> Spent
> > > > hours
> > > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the
fuel
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the
fuel
> > > > solenoid
> > > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear
the
> > fuel
> > > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
> don't
> > > see
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is
good
> > > inside
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > box....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does
it
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the
engine
> > > turns
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > > solenoid
> > > > > lever
> > > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that
eliminates
> the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> > > pulling
> > > > > in.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box
and
> > see
> > > if
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know
this
> > for
> > > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft
of
> a
> > > > diesel
> > > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power
and
> > > could
> > > > > push it
> > > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until
the
> > > > > coolant
> > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
> being
> > > > > said,
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
> think
> > > we
> > > > > need
> > > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component
voltage
> > > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> > engine
> > > to
> > > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are
experiencing.
> I
> > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen.
set
> > > > tested.
> > > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The
next
> > > time
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace
the
> > > > > alternator
> > > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > > necessary
> > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
> sitting
> > > > (lack
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
> alternator.
> > > The
> > > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced
with
> a
> > > > > Newage
> > > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

No red button. I smell gas but I will crack one of the lines and
see if anything coming out.

hold...


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator control box
> that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have actually
pulled
> back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that connects
> directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have to
> believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is
turning
> over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at the
fuel
> injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you are not
> getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the fuel
filter
> by any chance?
>
> tom
>
> At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Tom-
> >It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> >lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> >solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see a
> >circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside the
> >box....
> >
> >thoughts?
> >
> >Mike
> >80fc33
> >Taylor Mill, Ky
> >
> >--- In
> > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> >Tom Warner
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
> >start
> > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
over
> >at
> > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
lever
> > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling in.
> >If
> > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if
the
> > > circuit breaker is off.
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > Vernon center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
push it
> > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant
> >runs
> > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said,
> >there
> > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we
need
> > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > >1990 WB-40
> > > >Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > >- In
> > > > > >40yahoogroups.com> 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> >
> > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
(voltage to
> > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> >start. No
> > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
suggest
> >taking
> > > >your
> > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
> >Maybe
> > > >the
> > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it
> >would
> > > >turn
> > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
alternator
> > > >because on
> > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
for the
> > > >unit to
> > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack
of
> >use).
> > > >Our
> > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> >Kohler
> > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
Newage
> >unit.
> > > >I
> > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

OK-
FYI- I have a 4cyl gas Kohler.
good spark to each cylinder and good fuel flow through the filter
(pass the electric cutoff valve) to the carb.

tried a little starter fluid and still no go.

Mike
80fc33
Taylor Mill, Ky



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> No red button. I smell gas but I will crack one of the lines and
> see if anything coming out.
>
> hold...
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> >
> > Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator control
box
> > that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have actually
> pulled
> > back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that connects
> > directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have to
> > believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is
> turning
> > over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at the
> fuel
> > injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you are
not
> > getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the fuel
> filter
> > by any chance?
> >
> > tom
> >
> > At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Tom-
> > >It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> > >lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > >solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see
a
> > >circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside
the
> > >box....
> > >
> > >thoughts?
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >80fc33
> > >Taylor Mill, Ky
> > >
> > >--- In
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Tom Warner
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try
to
> > >start
> > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
> over
> > >at
> > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
> lever
> > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
fuel
> > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling
in.
> > >If
> > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see
if
> the
> > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
diesel
> > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
> push it
> > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
coolant
> > >runs
> > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
said,
> > >there
> > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we
> need
> > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > >- In
> > > > > > > >40yahoogroups.com> > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >
> > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> (voltage to
> > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> > >start. No
> > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> suggest
> > >taking
> > > > >your
> > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
tested.
> > >Maybe
> > > > >the
> > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time
it
> > >would
> > > > >turn
> > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> alternator
> > > > >because on
> > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
> for the
> > > > >unit to
> > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
(lack
> of
> > >use).
> > > > >Our
> > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> > >Kohler
> > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> Newage
> > >unit.
> > > > >I
> > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Gas???? a gas is shut down by removing spark not fuel. cutting off
fuel may cause a backfire. sounds like a timing advance issue now.
Greg
Gas is for farting

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> OK-
> FYI- I have a 4cyl gas Kohler.
> good spark to each cylinder and good fuel flow through the filter
> (pass the electric cutoff valve) to the carb.
>
> tried a little starter fluid and still no go.
>
> Mike
> 80fc33
> Taylor Mill, Ky
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > No red button. I smell gas but I will crack one of the lines and
> > see if anything coming out.
> >
> > hold...
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator control
> box
> > > that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have actually
> > pulled
> > > back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that connects
> > > directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have to
> > > believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is
> > turning
> > > over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at the
> > fuel
> > > injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you are
> not
> > > getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the fuel
> > filter
> > > by any chance?
> > >
> > > tom
> > >
> > > At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Tom-
> > > >It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
solenoid
> > > >lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > > >solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't
see
> a
> > > >circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside
> the
> > > >box....
> > > >
> > > >thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >Mike
> > > >80fc33
> > > >Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > >
> > > >--- In
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > >Tom Warner
> > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try
> to
> > > >start
> > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
turns
> > over
> > > >at
> > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
solenoid
> > lever
> > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
> fuel
> > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling
> in.
> > > >If
> > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see
> if
> > the
> > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > >
> > > > > tom warner
> > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
> diesel
> > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
> > push it
> > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> coolant
> > > >runs
> > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> said,
> > > >there
> > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think
we
> > need
> > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > >40yahoogroups.com> > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > >
> > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > (voltage to
> > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine
to
> > > >start. No
> > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> > suggest
> > > >taking
> > > > > >your
> > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> tested.
> > > >Maybe
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
time
> it
> > > >would
> > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > alternator
> > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
> > for the
> > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
> (lack
> > of
> > > >use).
> > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator.
The
> > > >Kohler
> > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> > Newage
> > > >unit.
> > > > > >I
> > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

I called Mike to find out he had a 4 cyl gas genset.
Told him about the checking the spark and using some
starter fluid. He has since tried that without results.
Any ideas?, Timing issue?
Maybe flooded, he said he smelled gas, pull the plugs and
clean them, try again?

Bob, chewing up and swallowing my diesel check list.

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Gas???? a gas is shut down by removing spark not fuel. cutting off
> fuel may cause a backfire. sounds like a timing advance issue now.
> Greg
> Gas is for farting
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > OK-
> > FYI- I have a 4cyl gas Kohler.
> > good spark to each cylinder and good fuel flow through the filter
> > (pass the electric cutoff valve) to the carb.
> >
> > tried a little starter fluid and still no go.
> >
> > Mike
> > 80fc33
> > Taylor Mill, Ky
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No red button. I smell gas but I will crack one of the lines
and
> > > see if anything coming out.
> > >
> > > hold...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator control
> > box
> > > > that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have
actually
> > > pulled
> > > > back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that connects
> > > > directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have
to
> > > > believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is
> > > turning
> > > > over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at
the
> > > fuel
> > > > injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you
are
> > not
> > > > getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the fuel
> > > filter
> > > > by any chance?
> > > >
> > > > tom
> > > >
> > > > At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Tom-
> > > > >It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> solenoid
> > > > >lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > > > >solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't
> see
> > a
> > > > >circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
inside
> > the
> > > > >box....
> > > > >
> > > > >thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > >Mike
> > > > >80fc33
> > > > >Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > >Tom Warner
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
try
> > to
> > > > >start
> > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
> turns
> > > over
> > > > >at
> > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> solenoid
> > > lever
> > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
> > fuel
> > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
pulling
> > in.
> > > > >If
> > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and
see
> > if
> > > the
> > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this
for
> > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
> > diesel
> > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
could
> > > push it
> > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > coolant
> > > > >runs
> > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> > said,
> > > > >there
> > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think
> we
> > > need
> > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > >40yahoogroups.com> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > >
> > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
engine
> to
> > > > >start. No
> > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> > > suggest
> > > > >taking
> > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> > tested.
> > > > >Maybe
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
> time
> > it
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > alternator
> > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
necessary
> > > for the
> > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
> > (lack
> > > of
> > > > >use).
> > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator.
> The
> > > > >Kohler
> > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> > > Newage
> > > > >unit.
> > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike, things like a loose cap or too much gooey grease on the point
cam or distributor weight springs will make it hard to start. Like
plug wires (that fail with age even without use), ignition coil is
also a replaceable maintenance item often overlooked. After-market
coils and wires have disappointed me in the past.

If your bus was ever owned by a 'pressurewasher engindegreeser clean
freak,' chances are the grease in the distributor lost its oil and
turned to wax, the coil lost its seal and went bad plug wires are
cracked and all the sealed bearing in your bus are dry. Spraying wd40
and other things at the points will wash the oil out of the grease
also.

I soak gunky things in light oil (diesel fuel) to thin out the bond,
agitate it with a parts brush and wash it off with hot water and
laundry soap.
Gregory O'Connor
94pt Romoland Ca
"pressurewashers are for decks and patios"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> I called Mike to find out he had a 4 cyl gas genset.
> Told him about the checking the spark and using some
> starter fluid. He has since tried that without results.
> Any ideas?, Timing issue?
> Maybe flooded, he said he smelled gas, pull the plugs and
> clean them, try again?
>
> Bob, chewing up and swallowing my diesel check list.
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > Gas???? a gas is shut down by removing spark not fuel. cutting
off
> > fuel may cause a backfire. sounds like a timing advance issue now.
> > Greg
> > Gas is for farting
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK-
> > > FYI- I have a 4cyl gas Kohler.
> > > good spark to each cylinder and good fuel flow through the
filter
> > > (pass the electric cutoff valve) to the carb.
> > >
> > > tried a little starter fluid and still no go.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 80fc33
> > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No red button. I smell gas but I will crack one of the lines
> and
> > > > see if anything coming out.
> > > >
> > > > hold...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator
control
> > > box
> > > > > that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have
> actually
> > > > pulled
> > > > > back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that
connects
> > > > > directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have
> to
> > > > > believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is
> > > > turning
> > > > > over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at
> the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you
> are
> > > not
> > > > > getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the
fuel
> > > > filter
> > > > > by any chance?
> > > > >
> > > > > tom
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Tom-
> > > > > >It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> > solenoid
> > > > > >lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the
fuel
> > > > > >solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
don't
> > see
> > > a
> > > > > >circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
> inside
> > > the
> > > > > >box....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mike
> > > > > >80fc33
> > > > > >Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In
> > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > >Tom Warner
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
> try
> > > to
> > > > > >start
> > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
> > turns
> > > > over
> > > > > >at
> > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > solenoid
> > > > lever
> > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates
the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> pulling
> > > in.
> > > > > >If
> > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and
> see
> > > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this
> for
> > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of
a
> > > diesel
> > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
> could
> > > > push it
> > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > > coolant
> > > > > >runs
> > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
being
> > > said,
> > > > > >there
> > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
think
> > we
> > > > need
> > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >40yahoogroups.com> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> engine
> > to
> > > > > >start. No
> > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing.
I
> > > > suggest
> > > > > >taking
> > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> > > tested.
> > > > > >Maybe
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
> > time
> > > it
> > > > > >would
> > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > > alternator
> > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> necessary
> > > > for the
> > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
sitting
> > > (lack
> > > > of
> > > > > >use).
> > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
alternator.
> > The
> > > > > >Kohler
> > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with
a
> > > > Newage
> > > > > >unit.
> > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>