Freeze protection heaters

[ernieekberg@...>]

Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original freeze protection
heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are still functional.
Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on an 1/8 inch
steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk about heavy.
Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass
----- Original Message -----
From: hsaddock
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters


Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately half
the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design
voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably somewhere
around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater designed
for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we
knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more
closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site
("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted in
any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe due
to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection from
the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in
space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed, etc -
they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the
enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want
them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need to
wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you build
for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are
using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating until
you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch
some where near where they are located. Still a great price for what
they are - but they are not a "drop in"
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36"
wrote:
>
> Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9"
> long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get
very
> warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them
on
> a Q-bus I'm building.
>
> Paul C
> Virginia
> 90 SP-36
> 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >
> > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't
> know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on
> the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that
> means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what
happens
> with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-83PT40
in
> Wyoming
>
> >
>





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[Alex Smith]

Yes, it appears to be only one wire, so I think I'll get back in there and take
a closer look. Thanks.
Alex
Tallahassee
82FC35

ernieekberg@... wrote: Alex- if these
is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted together.
Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the
bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak.
Can the wire be spliced back?
Any help appreciate.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35RB

ernieekberg@... wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and
wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug
those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could
possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding
my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming



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[Alex Smith]

Hey Bill,
I don't believe there is an element, just a single light blue wire wrapping
around the bundled copper piping.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35

Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:
Alex:
If you are talking about the element themselves, no, they cannot be wired back
together. If you cut the wire to the element that is ok to splice back
together.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

----- Original Message ----
From: "ernieekberg@..."
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 10:01:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Alex- if these is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted
together. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the
bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak.
Can the wire be spliced back?
Any help appreciate.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35RB

ernieekberg@ peoplepc. com wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and
wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug
those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could
possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding
my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming



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[hsaddock]

Ernie - Sounds like typical Bluebird, SOLID construction! Good luck
installing those heaters, let me know how it goes. Are you still
stuck in Buffalo?
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original
freeze protection heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are
still functional.
> Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on
an 1/8 inch steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk
about heavy. Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hsaddock
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters
>
>
> Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately
half
> the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design
> voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably
somewhere
> around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater
designed
> for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we
> knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more
> closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site
> ("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted
in
> any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe
due
> to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection
from
> the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in
> space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed,
etc -
> they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the
> enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want
> them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need
to
> wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you
build
> for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are
> using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating
until
> you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch
> some where near where they are located. Still a great price for
what
> they are - but they are not a "drop in"
> Harry Saddock
> 83FC35
> South Windsor, CT
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a
9"
> > long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should
get
> very
> > warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try
them
> on
> > a Q-bus I'm building.
> >
> > Paul C
> > Virginia
> > 90 SP-36
> > 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > >
> > > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I
don't
> > know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It
says on
> > the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what
that
> > means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what
> happens
> > with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-
83PT40
> in
> > Wyoming
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Harry- I'm going to try an leave here shortly. No snow, the sun has finally come
up.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40

Buffalo, Wyoming----- Original Message -----
From: hsaddock
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters


Ernie - Sounds like typical Bluebird, SOLID construction! Good luck
installing those heaters, let me know how it goes. Are you still
stuck in Buffalo?
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Harry- on my coach are separate thermostats that the original
freeze protection heaters are plugged into. Those thermostats are
still functional.
> Bluebird did a major overkill on those heaters by mounting them on
an 1/8 inch steel plate. That unit is then mounted to the wall. Talk
about heavy. Ernie-83pt40 in Wyoming- waiting for storm to pass
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hsaddock
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:09 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters
>
>
> Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately
half
> the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design
> voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably
somewhere
> around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater
designed
> for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we
> knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more
> closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site
> ("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted
in
> any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe
due
> to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection
from
> the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in
> space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed,
etc -
> they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the
> enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want
> them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need
to
> wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you
build
> for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are
> using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating
until
> you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch
> some where near where they are located. Still a great price for
what
> they are - but they are not a "drop in"
> Harry Saddock
> 83FC35
> South Windsor, CT
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a
9"
> > long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should
get
> very
> > warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try
them
> on
> > a Q-bus I'm building.
> >
> > Paul C
> > Virginia
> > 90 SP-36
> > 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > >
> > > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I
don't
> > know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It
says on
> > the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what
that
> > means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what
> happens
> > with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-
83PT40
> in
> > Wyoming
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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[Ernest Ekberg]

My new freeze protection heaters arrived this week. The blower works
great, but as Harry mentioned I need 220 for the heater element. I
tried to use the heater on 110, but the element could not put out
enough heat to keep anything warm.
So- if someone who has a coach with freeze protection heaters can be
kind enough to give me a name I'll do a search for that company. And
get the correct heaters for my coach.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
dead freeze protection heaters- don't know why they died- just 24
years old!

[Howard O. Truitt]

Ernie,
Dog years are said to be 7 to 1 so Bird years are maybe 5 or 6 to 1.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Ekberg
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


My new freeze protection heaters arrived this week. The blower works
great, but as Harry mentioned I need 220 for the heater element. I
tried to use the heater on 110, but the element could not put out
enough heat to keep anything warm.
So- if someone who has a coach with freeze protection heaters can be
kind enough to give me a name I'll do a search for that company. And
get the correct heaters for my coach.
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
dead freeze protection heaters- don't know why they died- just 24
years old!






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