Buyer's market

[birdshill123]

And It Gets Worse:

Apparently WRV ( maker of Alpine Coach and Alpenlite) has closed their
doors. In the next few months I think we will see some more of the
smaller mfrs. do the same. In the end this could be a good thing for
the industry as the survivors mat be able to capture some of that
market share. Survival of the fittest!

Bruce
1988FC35

[bubblerboy64]

Maury, My comments are a little confusing. I am not saying I
wouldn't negotiate or never have. I just would rather not do
business that way. Some people love it. It's almost like a blood
sport for them. If I thought the fair price for a BB was 50% of the
listed price and I really was serious? I would first ask if the
seller would like me to offer what my research indicated was fair.
And I would offer if not my final offer darned close. Just me.
John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> John,Here you indicate you would offer 50% of what is being
asked...bit differnet than last comment. Regardless I have often
thought I should had offered my bird to you when we talked about your
search.You truly seem to be the right kind of person to own a
bird,i.e. pretty handy with repairs etc. and render tender care.
maury 80FC 31'
> -------------- Original message from "bubblerboy64" : --
------------
>
> I would appear to me that nothing is selling. If you check e-bay,(
and
> it could be argued that e-bay is a test of the real price point on
most
> any thing and especially vehicles)you will see what a BB is worth
in
> todays market. If I was in the market I would offer 50% of what is
> being ask for many of these BB's. Anyone think I wouldn't walk away
> owning one? Problem is I'd be owning two of them which is one of
the
> things stopping me, plus the fact that I have all that I need and
feel
> pretty attached to my ole buddy "The Napper". So I'm with Jon. I
> ain't much worried about it. I knew from the minute I considered
this
> a couple years ago that I wasn't buying an investment (money
> investment). As to investment in fun and interest? Worth every dime
> and then some. Look at what is happening with the stock market. At
> least I can feel and touch and enjoy the money I am lossing on the
> Napper.
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
> >
> > Mine is still listed at it's original price (but I am
negotiable)!!
> >
> > Kevin McKeown
> > Yorba Linda, CA
> > 1986 38' PT (For Sale)
> >
> >
> >
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[birdshill123]

http://tiny.cc/l97Jr


The sky is not falling (yet) but things have to get worse before they
will get better.


Bruce

[Gregory OConnor]

Bruce, I was making my low ball offer. I have some one for a 300hpFC
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Sorry Greg but your math is flawed. Maybe too much time bouncing
in
> that dump truck. Anytime you are doing a math equation it is the
> inpput data that is most important. GIGO. You did not factor the
normal
> depreciation from 3 years ago. Even if fuel were $2.00 and BB
prices
> were not in the tank what do you think the prices would be on
those 2
> units?? Try doing your math using 10% annual depeciation on both.
I
> suppose with BB's that that certain units would hold their value
better
> than others. Older WB's would not be tanked as much as the LXI,s.
Not
> every one has $150 to $300 grand to buy a MH. Or they cannot
qualify
> for a loan. But when you are selling a BB at say $80,000 there are
more
> buyers. Regardless there will be lots of bargains very soon. We
are in
> the market for a premium LXI. 98 to 02. The asking prices have not
> really dropped yet but I know of 3 units that have been for sale
for 7
> to 12 months. BTW : Our 88 FC is not for sale. We want to join the
2
> BB's club.
>
>
> Bruce
> 1988 FC35
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Rob, With one worm? what are the completed sale prices? that would
be a good gauge of market price. I guess the few that endup listed
are kinda overpriced because it seems the list is a typical hangout.
I would list the other 10 with the one shown as sold to show
movement. On the surface your list totals close to a million dollars
of market activity.


GregoryO'connor
94ptRomolandCa

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
>
> Scott you are absolutely right.....it's a market for buyers. Buy
Bye
> Bluebird has sold eleven since Nov 07 and many of them were never
listed
> because they sold to customers who had a request in for that
particular
> coach. For example wants for "wood cabinetry" or "fixer upper
price range"
> etc etc. To give you an idea of what is moving here's the lis. It
appears to
> be all across the board.
>
> 87 PT 40
> 89 SP 36
> 93 WB
> 2003 LX Slide
> 95 43WB
> 2003 WD
> 78 FC
> 91 WB
> 2000 LX
> 87 PT 40
> 97 43WB

[pattypape]

Condos' in Florida are like BlueBirds.
Expensive and sometimes hard to sell.
With both there is an inventory glut.
They sell at the price that the seller and buyer are happy.
Presently inventory is high , because the "Sky is Falling"
With issues like fuel, insurance, taxes, bla,bla etc.
Those on the edge of deciding what the future will bring,
are trying to sell and get out from under this burden.
The same number are selling as in the past,
but inventories are still growing.

Bill's Opinion, 88 FC Michigan


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Rob, With one worm? what are the completed sale prices? that would
> be a good gauge of market price. I guess the few that endup listed
> are kinda overpriced because it seems the list is a typical
hangout.
> I would list the other 10 with the one shown as sold to show
> movement. On the surface your list totals close to a million
dollars
> of market activity.
>
>
> GregoryO'connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> -- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott you are absolutely right.....it's a market for buyers. Buy
> Bye
> > Bluebird has sold eleven since Nov 07 and many of them were never
> listed
> > because they sold to customers who had a request in for that
> particular
> > coach. For example wants for "wood cabinetry" or "fixer upper
> price range"
> > etc etc. To give you an idea of what is moving here's the lis. It
> appears to
> > be all across the board.
> >
> > 87 PT 40
> > 89 SP 36
> > 93 WB
> > 2003 LX Slide
> > 95 43WB
> > 2003 WD
> > 78 FC
> > 91 WB
> > 2000 LX
> > 87 PT 40
> > 97 43WB
>

[Steve Pfiffner]

----Original Message----
From: billpatty@...
Date: 04/17/2008 9:25
To:
Subj: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Buyer's market

Condos' in Florida are like BlueBirds.
Expensive and sometimes hard to sell.
With both there is an inventory glut.
They sell at the price that the seller and buyer are happy.
Presently inventory is high , because the "Sky is Falling"
With issues like fuel, insurance, taxes, bla,bla etc.
Those on the edge of deciding what the future will bring,
are trying to sell and get out from under this burden.
The same number are selling as in the past,
but inventories are still growing.

Bill's Opinion, 88 FC Michigan


Bill,

As far as I can tell every Wanderlodge that still runs is for sale
except
your 88FC

Steve
Wannabee

Sure you don't want to sell?

[Mike Hohnstein]

Hmmm, we're all dead any how, go for it while there is still time. All RVs must be stolen. (figurativelyspeaking) Paying 'retail' is insanity on the level of Congressrelative to theirfree trade obstruction.

MH

----- Original Message -----

From: "billpatty@hotmail.com"

To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"

Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:25 AM

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Buyer's market

Condos' in Florida are like BlueBirds.
Expensive and sometimes hard to sell.
With both there is an inventory glut.
They sell at the price that the seller and buyer are happy.
Presently inventory is high , because the "Sky is Falling"
With issues like fuel, insurance, taxes, bla,bla etc.
Those on the edge of deciding what the future will bring,
are trying to sell and get out from under this burden.
The same number are selling as in the past,
but inventories are still growing.

Bill's Opinion, 88 FC Michigan

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Gregory OConnor"
..> wrote:
>
> Rob, With one worm? what are the completed sale prices? that would
> be a good gauge of market price. I guess the few that endup listed
> are kinda overpriced because it seems the list is a typical
hangout.
> I would list the other 10 with the one shown as sold to show
> movement. On the surface your list totals close to a million
dollars
> of market activity.
>
>
> GregoryO'connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
> -- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Rob Robinson"
> > wrote:
> >
> > Scott you are absolutely right.....it's a market for buyers. Buy
> Bye
> > Bluebird has sold eleven since Nov 07 and many of them were never
> listed
> > because they sold to customers who had a request in for that
> particular
> > coach. For example wants for "wood cabinetry" or "fixer upper
> price range"
> > etc etc. To give you an idea of what is moving here's the lis. It
> appears to
> > be all across the board.
> >
> > 87 PT 40
> > 89 SP 36
> > 93 WB
> > 2003 LX Slide
> > 95 43WB
> > 2003 WD
> > 78 FC
> > 91 WB
> > 2000 LX
> > 87 PT 40
> > 97 43WB
>

[Don Bradner]

Hmm. I suspect that you will find that most Birds are not for sale. Speaking for
myself, as a merchant, most things I own I would part with for the right price,
but that doesn't mean they are all for sale!

I rather routinely get people (business brokers fishing, mostly) wanting to know
if my business is for sale. My answer is yes, but somebody would have to be
crazy to pay me the price I would require. Same applies to Blue Thunder.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

On 4/17/2008 at 3:00 PM Steve Pfiffner wrote:

> Bill,
>
> As far as I can tell every Wanderlodge that still runs is for sale
>except
>your 88FC
>
> Steve
> Wannabee
>
> Sure you don't want to sell?

[Leroy Eckert]

Steve, my Bird runs great, looks great, it is highly upgraded, everything works, you don't have to spend a nickel on it at this time, just turn the key and drive away. It is not for sale.
However, if you want it bring a fat certified check and you will no longer be a wannabe.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
Dahlonega, GA
Royale Conversion

Steve Pfiffner wrote:

----Original Message----
From: "billpatty%40hotmail.com"
Date: 04/17/2008 9:25

To: <"WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com">
Subj: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Buyer's market

Condos' in Florida are like BlueBirds.
Expensive and sometimes hard to sell.
With both there is an inventory glut.
They sell at the price that the seller and buyer are happy.
Presently inventory is high , because the "Sky is Falling"
With issues like fuel, insurance, taxes, bla,bla etc.
Those on the edge of deciding what the future will bring,
are trying to sell and get out from under this burden.
The same number are selling as in the past,
but inventories are still growing.

Bill's Opinion, 88 FC Michigan

Bill,

As far as I can tell every Wanderlodge that still runs is for sale
except
your 88FC

Steve
Wannabee

Sure you don't want to sell?

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