RIV Report?

[Gregory OConnor]

Definitions are good. But even intended as an after
party 'RallyAcrossTheStreet' attracted and served as an alternative
to the high cost of parking at the 'RallyInTheValley' grounds during
the event. Macy posted that he got a lot of email looking to have
the event sent back to 'TheValley'. whith his post that they would
comply with the wishes of the authors????, I just thought he is
missing the input of the wishes of the potential buyers that have
not an opinion of somthing they are not exposed to.

Many post ;they want to further the survival of the brand but their
true want is maintain the perks and unique fellowship of this brands
loyality. Informal organizations like SWBB Quartzsite with the 60+
bus attendance maintain, further, display and promote loyality and
fellowship. With no or few new busses since 2005 any status quo
event or exclusive Wanderlodge event will redefine the
group "BlueHairs with BlueBirds".

Think the old way and maintain the old crowd. go after the crowd
that gets hit with a higher tax bill Jan 20th.

Greg94ptCa



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to a
> definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to pass.
> This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could
then
> be privy to the true information.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> wrote:
> >
> > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
clouded
> > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
individuals
> > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success they
are.
> > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If
our
> > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would
have
> > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> >
> > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > >
> > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
time
> > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > another
> > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
mails
> > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at the
> > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
that
> > 4-
> > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some of
us.
> > In
> > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
Texas,
> > 4-
> > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
money,
> > RITV
> > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
time.
> > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as a
$
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to
> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > >
> > > WRONG!
> > >
> > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
caused
> > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it,
or
> > were
> > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
Ralph,
> > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
constant
> > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > >
> > > John
> > > 1980 33FC
> > > "My Navion"
> > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
than my
> > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Stephen, it was initiated because of the cost
increase
> > of
> > > > RIV at the time when service and value appeared to be
> > decreasing.
> > > It
> > > > resulted in a rally for friends to enjoy each other's
company
> > > around
> > > > RIV, not to protest it. Many of the first year attendees
did not
> > > go
> > > > to RIV.
> > > >
> > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > > Poway, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > rats was not set up as a $ alternative
> > > > > it was a meeting of friends that wanted to stay and enjoy
each
> > > > others
> > > > > company after riv
> > > > > greg get the story straight
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen 77fc35
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan

> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go change the oil in your power steering pump!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > > on the other side of the country!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > > > > > there is your problem. I think it is a good
idea to
> > > move
> > > > > the rally
> > > > > > around. someone suggested keeping the Perry thing alive
as a
> > > > group
> > > > > > thing with support from the factory. Rats was set up as
a $
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to
> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship. dont know
the
> > > > numbers
> > > > > > but if you had 50 new visitors owners and lookers in
Branson
> > > that
> > > > > > would not have made the trip to Perry, sounds good to
me???
> > Bet
> > > > Loyd
> > > > > > was approached with some sort of 'want to make everyone
> > happy'
> > > > that
> > > > > > lead him to believe you were obligated. MikeB's company
has a
> > > > more
> > > > > > respectful policy ;a statement. From there you can be
kind.
> > > folks
> > > > > > that get 'more than fair' leave Carsons end of the deal
> > unfair.
> > > A
> > > > > > Professional, personal or cultural trait of wanting to
make
> > > > everyone
> > > > > > happy is a flaw because fair is some time only
satisfactory .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Birds nest is another thing that is undefined. Why,
gotta
> > > > cost
> > > > > > big bucks to run it. if it was exclusive and costly to
attend
> > > but
> > > > > > free to origional owners, I would stay there at my $
just to
> > > say
> > > > I
> > > > > > did and respect the origional owners perk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg94ptCa
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Macy Neshati

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks very much for the supportive email, kind words,
and
> > > > sharing
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > positive experiences at Fort Valley. Our core business
has
> > > been
> > > > > > built on
> > > > > > > resourcefulness, giving the customer what they want,
> > > excellent
> > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And we have heeded the complaints about the rally and
we
> > will
> > > > go
> > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > Perry next year with a more robust program as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, thanks so much to all of you who have responded
in
> > > > support
> > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > company and who have passed on their well wishes for
me. As
> > > > many
> > > > > > of you know
> > > > > > > it is a progressive disease and every couple years it
> > > overcomes
> > > > the
> > > > > > > medication and there is a trail and error period where
we
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > what to do next but don¹t get me wrong I consider
myself a
> > > very
> > > > > > lucky and
> > > > > > > blessed man and every day that I am given is a gift
and a
> > > > > > blessing, I try to
> > > > > > > live it to the fullest. It is friends like you and so
many
> > > > others
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > reached out to me privately in response to this
situation
> > > that
> > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > reinforce how lucky I am to be doing what I am doing.
> > > > > > > THANKS to ALL and wishing each and every one of you
Good
> > > > Health,
> > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > Fortune, Joy, Peace and Prosperity during the Holiday
> > Season
> > > > and
> > > > > > Always!
> > > > > > > Macy
> > > > > > > Macy Neshati
> > > > > > > Vice President, Sales & Marketing
> > > > > > > Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks
> > > > > > > Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-
9585
> > > > > > > Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com
> > > > > > &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

Being at the second third and fifth RATS
I knew I was correct in my statement that RATS was a way to extend the
weekend

Stephen 77fc35
dupreeproducts.com

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Definitions are good. But even intended as an after
> party 'RallyAcrossTheStreet' attracted and served as an alternative
> to the high cost of parking at the 'RallyInTheValley' grounds during
> the event. Macy posted that he got a lot of email looking to have
> the event sent back to 'TheValley'. whith his post that they would
> comply with the wishes of the authors????, I just thought he is
> missing the input of the wishes of the potential buyers that have
> not an opinion of somthing they are not exposed to.
>
> Many post ;they want to further the survival of the brand but their
> true want is maintain the perks and unique fellowship of this brands
> loyality. Informal organizations like SWBB Quartzsite with the 60+
> bus attendance maintain, further, display and promote loyality and
> fellowship. With no or few new busses since 2005 any status quo
> event or exclusive Wanderlodge event will redefine the
> group "BlueHairs with BlueBirds".
>
> Think the old way and maintain the old crowd. go after the crowd
> that gets hit with a higher tax bill Jan 20th.
>
> Greg94ptCa
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to a
> > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to pass.
> > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could
> then
> > be privy to the true information.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
> clouded
> > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
> individuals
> > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success they
> are.
> > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If
> our
> > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would
> have
> > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > >
> > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
> time
> > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > > another
> > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
> mails
> > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at the
> > > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
> that
> > > 4-
> > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some of
> us.
> > > In
> > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
> Texas,
> > > 4-
> > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
> money,
> > > RITV
> > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
> time.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as a
> $
> > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
> thing
> > > to
> > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > > market
> > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > >
> > > > WRONG!
> > > >
> > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
> caused
> > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it,
> or
> > > were
> > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
> Ralph,
> > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
> constant
> > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > "My Navion"
> > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
> than my
> > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, Stephen, it was initiated because of the cost
> increase
> > > of
> > > > > RIV at the time when service and value appeared to be
> > > decreasing.
> > > > It
> > > > > resulted in a rally for friends to enjoy each other's
> company
> > > > around
> > > > > RIV, not to protest it. Many of the first year attendees
> did not
> > > > go
> > > > > to RIV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > > > Poway, CA
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rats was not set up as a $ alternative
> > > > > > it was a meeting of friends that wanted to stay and enjoy
> each
> > > > > others
> > > > > > company after riv
> > > > > > greg get the story straight
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen 77fc35
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Go change the oil in your power steering pump!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > > > on the other side of the country!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > > > > > > there is your problem. I think it is a good
> idea to
> > > > move
> > > > > > the rally
> > > > > > > around. someone suggested keeping the Perry thing alive
> as a
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > thing with support from the factory. Rats was set up as
> a $
> > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
> thing
> > > to
> > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > > market
> > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship. dont know
> the
> > > > > numbers
> > > > > > > but if you had 50 new visitors owners and lookers in
> Branson
> > > > that
> > > > > > > would not have made the trip to Perry, sounds good to
> me???
> > > Bet
> > > > > Loyd
> > > > > > > was approached with some sort of 'want to make everyone
> > > happy'
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > lead him to believe you were obligated. MikeB's company
> has a
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > respectful policy ;a statement. From there you can be
> kind.
> > > > folks
> > > > > > > that get 'more than fair' leave Carsons end of the deal
> > > unfair.
> > > > A
> > > > > > > Professional, personal or cultural trait of wanting to
> make
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > happy is a flaw because fair is some time only
> satisfactory .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Birds nest is another thing that is undefined. Why,
> gotta
> > > > > cost
> > > > > > > big bucks to run it. if it was exclusive and costly to
> attend
> > > > but
> > > > > > > free to origional owners, I would stay there at my $
> just to
> > > > say
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > did and respect the origional owners perk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg94ptCa
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Macy Neshati
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks very much for the supportive email, kind words,
> and
> > > > > sharing
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > positive experiences at Fort Valley. Our core business
> has
> > > > been
> > > > > > > built on
> > > > > > > > resourcefulness, giving the customer what they want,
> > > > excellent
> > > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And we have heeded the complaints about the rally and
> we
> > > will
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > > Perry next year with a more robust program as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, thanks so much to all of you who have responded
> in
> > > > > support
> > > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > > company and who have passed on their well wishes for
> me. As
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > of you know
> > > > > > > > it is a progressive disease and every couple years it
> > > > overcomes
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > medication and there is a trail and error period where
> we
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > > what to do next but don¹t get me wrong I consider
> myself a
> > > > very
> > > > > > > lucky and
> > > > > > > > blessed man and every day that I am given is a gift
> and a
> > > > > > > blessing, I try to
> > > > > > > > live it to the fullest. It is friends like you and so
> many
> > > > > others
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > reached out to me privately in response to this
> situation
> > > > that
> > > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > > reinforce how lucky I am to be doing what I am doing.
> > > > > > > > THANKS to ALL and wishing each and every one of you
> Good
> > > > > Health,
> > > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > > Fortune, Joy, Peace and Prosperity during the Holiday
> > > Season
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Always!
> > > > > > > > Macy
> > > > > > > > Macy Neshati
> > > > > > > > Vice President, Sales & Marketing
> > > > > > > > Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks
> > > > > > > > Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-
> 9585
> > > > > > > > Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com
> > > > > > > &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[g_man1146]

Wow,

How time changes things. While I have never attended a RATS rally, I
have attended many RITV's and have been hanging around the
Wanderlodge forums for years. Unless the posts have been purged, they
will show that the first mention of a RATS rally was to "beat the
system" and offer an alternative to paying the new higher cost to
attend the RITV. There was even talk of "sneaking" into the
fairgrounds to attend seminars. That is what turned me off about
attending then. But things do change for the better. The reason for
the RATS has become a continuation of camaraderie and is a great
idea. But lets not cloud history unless you are sure all of the
original posts are gone from everywhere.

Rich D. '99LXi43'



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
> Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to a
> definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to pass.
> This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could then
> be privy to the true information.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> wrote:
> >
> > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
clouded
> > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few individuals
> > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success they
are.
> > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If our
> > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would have
> > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> >
> > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > >
> > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
time
> > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > another
> > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
mails
> > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at the
> > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
that
> > 4-
> > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some of
us.
> > In
> > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
Texas,
> > 4-
> > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
money,
> > RITV
> > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
time.
> > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as a
$
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to
> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > >
> > > WRONG!
> > >
> > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
caused
> > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it, or
> > were
> > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
Ralph,
> > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
constant
> > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > >
> > > John
> > > 1980 33FC
> > > "My Navion"
> > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
than my
> > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Stephen, it was initiated because of the cost
increase
> > of
> > > > RIV at the time when service and value appeared to be
> > decreasing.
> > > It
> > > > resulted in a rally for friends to enjoy each other's company
> > > around
> > > > RIV, not to protest it. Many of the first year attendees did
not
> > > go
> > > > to RIV.
> > > >
> > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > > Poway, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > rats was not set up as a $ alternative
> > > > > it was a meeting of friends that wanted to stay and enjoy
each
> > > > others
> > > > > company after riv
> > > > > greg get the story straight
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen 77fc35
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan

> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go change the oil in your power steering pump!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > > on the other side of the country!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > > > > > there is your problem. I think it is a good
idea to
> > > move
> > > > > the rally
> > > > > > around. someone suggested keeping the Perry thing alive
as a
> > > > group
> > > > > > thing with support from the factory. Rats was set up as a
$
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to
> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship. dont know
the
> > > > numbers
> > > > > > but if you had 50 new visitors owners and lookers in
Branson
> > > that
> > > > > > would not have made the trip to Perry, sounds good to
me???
> > Bet
> > > > Loyd
> > > > > > was approached with some sort of 'want to make everyone
> > happy'
> > > > that
> > > > > > lead him to believe you were obligated. MikeB's company
has a
> > > > more
> > > > > > respectful policy ;a statement. From there you can be
kind.
> > > folks
> > > > > > that get 'more than fair' leave Carsons end of the deal
> > unfair.
> > > A
> > > > > > Professional, personal or cultural trait of wanting to
make
> > > > everyone
> > > > > > happy is a flaw because fair is some time only
satisfactory .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Birds nest is another thing that is undefined. Why,
gotta
> > > > cost
> > > > > > big bucks to run it. if it was exclusive and costly to
attend
> > > but
> > > > > > free to origional owners, I would stay there at my $ just
to
> > > say
> > > > I
> > > > > > did and respect the origional owners perk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg94ptCa
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Macy Neshati

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks very much for the supportive email, kind words,
and
> > > > sharing
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > positive experiences at Fort Valley. Our core business
has
> > > been
> > > > > > built on
> > > > > > > resourcefulness, giving the customer what they want,
> > > excellent
> > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And we have heeded the complaints about the rally and
we
> > will
> > > > go
> > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > Perry next year with a more robust program as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, thanks so much to all of you who have responded
in
> > > > support
> > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > company and who have passed on their well wishes for
me. As
> > > > many
> > > > > > of you know
> > > > > > > it is a progressive disease and every couple years it
> > > overcomes
> > > > the
> > > > > > > medication and there is a trail and error period where
we
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > what to do next but don¹t get me wrong I consider
myself a
> > > very
> > > > > > lucky and
> > > > > > > blessed man and every day that I am given is a gift and
a
> > > > > > blessing, I try to
> > > > > > > live it to the fullest. It is friends like you and so
many
> > > > others
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > reached out to me privately in response to this
situation
> > > that
> > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > reinforce how lucky I am to be doing what I am doing.
> > > > > > > THANKS to ALL and wishing each and every one of you
Good
> > > > Health,
> > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > Fortune, Joy, Peace and Prosperity during the Holiday
> > Season
> > > > and
> > > > > > Always!
> > > > > > > Macy
> > > > > > > Macy Neshati
> > > > > > > Vice President, Sales & Marketing
> > > > > > > Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks
> > > > > > > Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-
9585
> > > > > > > Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com
> > > > > > &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi Rich:

The RATS you mention was the 3rd time the get together was to happen in
2005. The first 2 were to extend the time there, actually use it to "wind
down" a day or 3. Ernie, Bim Burt and I, along with John S. and some others
did the first 2. This was to extend time with Brenda and Ernie before they
headed to Fla to visit Ernie's Mom. 2003 and 2004 were held "after" RIV.
2004 was the year Ernie blew a front air bag at the Fairgrounds and limped
to RATS where we change it out in under 45 minutes.

The Time you mention came up just after a report of the price of RIV going
from what?$250.00 or 300. to $500. in one jump and ppl balked that was in 2005

The first one, really, was done by e-mails then talked about at the pre
stage and some word spread here and there that we were going across the
street for a couple of days. The second one was broader in scope and
Randy, John, Bruce, Ron and Shirley, "a bunch" showed up and we had a ball.

Then it got BIG!!!!!! And John and others started doing the pre planning
and so forth as it is now, so all would be on the same page.

Yes there was mention of a "protest" gathering at the same time as RIV but
even that, I believe, was only talked about and RATS was still after RIV.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 07:39 PM 11/6/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>Wow,
>
>How time changes things. While I have never attended a RATS rally, I
>have attended many RITV's and have been hanging around the
>Wanderlodge forums for years. Unless the posts have been purged, they
>will show that the first mention of a RATS rally was to "beat the
>system" and offer an alternative to paying the new higher cost to
>attend the RITV. There was even talk of "sneaking" into the
>fairgrounds to attend seminars. That is what turned me off about
>attending then. But things do change for the better. The reason for
>the RATS has become a continuation of camaraderie and is a great
>idea. But lets not cloud history unless you are sure all of the
>original posts are gone from everywhere.
>
>Rich D. '99LXi43'
>
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to a
> > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to pass.
> > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could then
> > be privy to the true information.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
>clouded
> > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few individuals
> > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success they
>are.
> > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If our
> > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would have
> > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > >
> > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
>time
> > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > > another
> > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
>mails
> > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at the
> > > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
>that
> > > 4-
> > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some of
>us.
> > > In
> > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
>Texas,
> > > 4-
> > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
>money,
> > > RITV
> > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
>time.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as a
>$
> > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
>thing
> > > to
> > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > > market
> > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > >
> > > > WRONG!
> > > >
> > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
>caused
> > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it, or
> > > were
> > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
>Ralph,
> > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
>constant
> > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > "My Navion"
> > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
>than my
> > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > >

[g_man1146]

Hi Ralph,
Thanks for the clairification. Since the first ones were mostly done
by email, I thought the first postings were for the first RATS. In
any event, from what I'm told, it has grown to be a nice event and I
hope to attend in the future if BB brings the RITV back to Perry.
Hope all is well with you and yours. PS, Where have you been? I miss
your prosaic and eloquent posts.

Rich D. '99LXi43' CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> Hi Rich:
>
> The RATS you mention was the 3rd time the get together was to
happen in
> 2005. The first 2 were to extend the time there, actually use it
to "wind
> down" a day or 3. Ernie, Bim Burt and I, along with John S. and
some others
> did the first 2. This was to extend time with Brenda and Ernie
before they
> headed to Fla to visit Ernie's Mom. 2003 and 2004 were held "after"
RIV.
> 2004 was the year Ernie blew a front air bag at the Fairgrounds and
limped
> to RATS where we change it out in under 45 minutes.
>
> The Time you mention came up just after a report of the price of
RIV going
> from what?$250.00 or 300. to $500. in one jump and ppl balked that
was in 2005
>
> The first one, really, was done by e-mails then talked about at the
pre
> stage and some word spread here and there that we were going across
the
> street for a couple of days. The second one was broader in scope
and
> Randy, John, Bruce, Ron and Shirley, "a bunch" showed up and we had
a ball.
>
> Then it got BIG!!!!!! And John and others started doing the pre
planning
> and so forth as it is now, so all would be on the same page.
>
> Yes there was mention of a "protest" gathering at the same time as
RIV but
> even that, I believe, was only talked about and RATS was still
after RIV.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 07:39 PM 11/6/2008 +0000, you wrote:
> >Wow,
> >
> >How time changes things. While I have never attended a RATS rally,
I
> >have attended many RITV's and have been hanging around the
> >Wanderlodge forums for years. Unless the posts have been purged,
they
> >will show that the first mention of a RATS rally was to "beat the
> >system" and offer an alternative to paying the new higher cost to
> >attend the RITV. There was even talk of "sneaking" into the
> >fairgrounds to attend seminars. That is what turned me off about
> >attending then. But things do change for the better. The reason
for
> >the RATS has become a continuation of camaraderie and is a great
> >idea. But lets not cloud history unless you are sure all of the
> >original posts are gone from everywhere.
> >
> >Rich D. '99LXi43'
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes
to a
> > > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to
pass.
> > > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could
then
> > > be privy to the true information.
> > >
> > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
> >clouded
> > > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
individuals
> > > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success
they
> >are.
> > > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If
our
> > > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would
have
> > > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > > >
> > > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
> >time
> > > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and
perhaps
> > > > another
> > > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via
e-
> >mails
> > > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at
the
> > > > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus
was
> >that
> > > > 4-
> > > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some
of
> >us.
> > > > In
> > > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
> >Texas,
> > > > 4-
> > > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
> >money,
> > > > RITV
> > > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
> >time.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up
as a
> >$
> > > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
> >thing
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar
bus
> > > > market
> > > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > > >
> > > > > WRONG!
> > > > >
> > > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
> >caused
> > > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize
it, or
> > > > were
> > > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
> >Ralph,
> > > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
> >constant
> > > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > > "My Navion"
> > > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
> >than my
> > > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > > >
>

[jim riordan]

GREG,

THE ONLY PERSON THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR IS YOURSELF! unless you carry a proxy, of course.

Jim Riordan

Stuart, fl.

Gregory OConnor wrote:

Definitions are good. But even intended as an after
party 'RallyAcrossTheStreet' attracted and served as an alternative
to the high cost of parking at the 'RallyInTheValley' grounds during
the event. Macy posted that he got a lot of email looking to have
the
event sent back to 'TheValley'. whith his post that they would
comply with the wishes of the authors????, I just thought he is
missing the input of the wishes of the potential buyers that have
not an opinion of somthing they are not exposed to.

Many post ;they want to further the survival of the brand but their
true want is maintain the perks and unique fellowship of this brands
loyality. Informal organizations like SWBB Quartzsite with the 60+
bus attendance maintain, further, display and promote loyality and
fellowship. With no or few new busses since 2005 any status quo
event or exclusive Wanderlodge event will redefine the
group "BlueHairs with BlueBirds".

Think the old way and maintain the old crowd. go after the crowd
that gets hit with a higher tax bill Jan 20th.

Greg94ptCa

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "ronmarabito2002"

...> wrote:
>
> Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to a
> definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to pass.
> This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could
then
> be privy to the true information.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Ernest Ekberg"
> > wrote:
> >
> > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
clouded
> > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
individuals
> > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success they
are.
> > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If
our
> > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I
would
have
> > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> >
> > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > >
> > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
time
> > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > another
> > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
mails
> > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at the
> > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
that
> > 4-
> > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some of
us.
> > In
> > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
Texas,
> > 4-
> > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
money,
> > RITV
> > > or anything else but just some
owners wanting to spend more
time.
> > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as a
$
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to
> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > >
> > > WRONG!
> > >
> > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
caused
> > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it,
or
> > were
> > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
Ralph,
> > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
constant
> > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > >
> > >
John
> > > 1980 33FC
> > > "My Navion"
> > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
than my
> > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Tom McCarthy"
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Stephen, it was initiated because of the cost
increase
> > of
> > > > RIV at the time when service and value appeared to be
> > decreasing.
> > > It
> > > > resulted in a rally for friends to enjoy each other's
company
> > > around
> > > > RIV, not to protest it. Many of the first year attendees
did not
> > > go
> > > > to
RIV.
> > > >
> > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > > Poway, CA
> > > >
> > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Stephen Birtles"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > rats was not set up as a $ alternative
> > > > > it was a meeting of friends that wanted to stay and enjoy
each
> > > > others
> > > > > company after riv
> > > > > greg get the story straight
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephen 77fc35
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", jim
riordan

> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go change the oil in your power steering pump!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > > on the other side of the country!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > > > > > there is your problem. I think it is a good
idea to
> > > move
> > > > > the rally
> > > > > > around. someone suggested keeping the Perry thing alive
as a
> > > > group
> > > > > > thing with support from the factory. Rats was set up as
a $
> > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
thing
> > to

> > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar bus
> > market
> > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship. dont know
the
> > > > numbers
> > > > > > but if you had 50 new visitors owners and lookers in
Branson
> > > that
> > > > > > would not have made the trip to Perry, sounds good to
me???
> > Bet
> > > > Loyd
> > > > > > was approached with some sort of 'want to make everyone
> > happy'
> > > > that
> > > > > > lead him to believe you were obligated. MikeB's company
has a
> > > > more
> > > > > > respectful policy ;a statement. From there you can be
kind.
> > > folks
> > > > > > that get 'more than fair' leave Carsons end of the
deal
> > unfair.
> > > A
> > > > > > Professional, personal or cultural trait of wanting to
make
> > > > everyone
> > > > > > happy is a flaw because fair is some time only
satisfactory .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Birds nest is another thing that is undefined. Why,
gotta
> > > > cost
> > > > > > big bucks to run it. if it was exclusive and costly to
attend
> > > but
> > > > > > free to origional owners, I would stay there at my $
just to
> > > say
> > > > I
> > > > > > did and respect the origional owners perk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg94ptCa
> > > > > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Macy Neshati

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks very much for the supportive email, kind words,
and
> > > > sharing
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > positive experiences at Fort Valley. Our core business
has
> > > been
> > > > > > built on
> > > > > > > resourcefulness, giving the customer what they want,
> > > excellent
> > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And we have heeded the complaints about the rally and
we
> > will
> > > > go
> > > > > > back
to
> > > > > > > Perry next year with a more robust program as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, thanks so much to all of you who have responded
in
> > > > support
> > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > company and who have passed on their well wishes for
me. As
> > > > many
> > > > > > of you know
> > > > > > > it is a progressive disease and every couple years it
> > > overcomes
> > > > the
> > > > > > > medication and there is a trail and error period where
we
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > what to do next but don¹t get me wrong I consider
myself a
> > > very
> > > > > >
lucky and
> > > > > > > blessed man and every day that I am given is a gift
and a
> > > > > > blessing, I try to
> > > > > > > live it to the fullest. It is friends like you and so
many
> > > > others
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > reached out to me privately in response to this
situation
> > > that
> > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > reinforce how lucky I am to be doing what I am doing.
> > > > > > > THANKS to ALL and wishing each and every one of you
Good
> > > > Health,
> > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > Fortune, Joy, Peace and Prosperity during the Holiday
> > Season
> > > > and
> > > > > > Always!
> > > > > > > Macy

> > > > > > > Macy Neshati
> > > > > > > Vice President, Sales & Marketing
> > > > > > > Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks
> > > > > > > Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-
9585
> > > > > > > Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com
> > > > > > &www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Jim, wasnt aware that prop8 took away my speech right also. thanks
for the warning.
Greg94ptCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
wrote:
>
> GREG,
>
> THE ONLY PERSON THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR IS
YOURSELF! unless you carry a proxy, of course.
>
> Jim Riordan
> Stuart, fl.
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
> Definitions are good. But even intended as an after
> party 'RallyAcrossTheStreet' attracted and served as an
alternative
> to the high cost of parking at the 'RallyInTheValley' grounds
during
> the event. Macy posted that he got a lot of email looking to have
> the event sent back to 'TheValley'. whith his post that they would
> comply with the wishes of the authors????, I just thought he is
> missing the input of the wishes of the potential buyers that have
> not an opinion of somthing they are not exposed to.
>
> Many post ;they want to further the survival of the brand but
their
> true want is maintain the perks and unique fellowship of this
brands
> loyality. Informal organizations like SWBB Quartzsite with the 60+
> bus attendance maintain, further, display and promote loyality and
> fellowship. With no or few new busses since 2005 any status quo
> event or exclusive Wanderlodge event will redefine the
> group "BlueHairs with BlueBirds".
>
> Think the old way and maintain the old crowd. go after the crowd
> that gets hit with a higher tax bill Jan 20th.
>
> Greg94ptCa
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that goes to
a
> > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to
pass.
> > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone could
> then
> > be privy to the true information.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
> clouded
> > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
> individuals
> > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success
they
> are.
> > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished. If
> our
> > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I would
> have
> > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > >
> > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend our
> time
> > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and perhaps
> > > another
> > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done via e-
> mails
> > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing at
the
> > > > time. This was done in large part because the consensus was
> that
> > > 4-
> > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for some
of
> us.
> > > In
> > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way from
> Texas,
> > > 4-
> > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
> money,
> > > RITV
> > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend more
> time.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up as
a
> $
> > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
> thing
> > > to
> > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar
bus
> > > market
> > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > >
> > > > WRONG!
> > > >
> > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
> caused
> > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize it,
> or
> > > were
> > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact. Ernie,
> Ralph,
> > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
> constant
> > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > "My Navion"
> > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did more
> than my
> > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, Stephen, it was initiated because of the cost
> increase
> > > of
> > > > > RIV at the time when service and value appeared to be
> > > decreasing.
> > > > It
> > > > > resulted in a rally for friends to enjoy each other's
> company
> > > > around
> > > > > RIV, not to protest it. Many of the first year attendees
> did not
> > > > go
> > > > > to RIV.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > > > Poway, CA
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rats was not set up as a $ alternative
> > > > > > it was a meeting of friends that wanted to stay and
enjoy
> each
> > > > > others
> > > > > > company after riv
> > > > > > greg get the story straight
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephen 77fc35
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, jim riordan
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Go change the oil in your power steering pump!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim Riordan
> > > > > > > on the other side of the country!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> > > > > > > there is your problem. I think it is a good
> idea to
> > > > move
> > > > > > the rally
> > > > > > > around. someone suggested keeping the Perry thing
alive
> as a
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > thing with support from the factory. Rats was set up
as
> a $
> > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official Perry
> thing
> > > to
> > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar
bus
> > > market
> > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship. dont
know
> the
> > > > > numbers
> > > > > > > but if you had 50 new visitors owners and lookers in
> Branson
> > > > that
> > > > > > > would not have made the trip to Perry, sounds good to
> me???
> > > Bet
> > > > > Loyd
> > > > > > > was approached with some sort of 'want to make
everyone
> > > happy'
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > lead him to believe you were obligated. MikeB's
company
> has a
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > respectful policy ;a statement. From there you can be
> kind.
> > > > folks
> > > > > > > that get 'more than fair' leave Carsons end of the
deal
> > > unfair.
> > > > A
> > > > > > > Professional, personal or cultural trait of wanting to
> make
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > happy is a flaw because fair is some time only
> satisfactory .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Birds nest is another thing that is undefined.
Why,
> gotta
> > > > > cost
> > > > > > > big bucks to run it. if it was exclusive and costly to
> attend
> > > > but
> > > > > > > free to origional owners, I would stay there at my $
> just to
> > > > say
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > did and respect the origional owners perk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greg94ptCa
> > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Macy Neshati
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks very much for the supportive email, kind
words,
> and
> > > > > sharing
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > positive experiences at Fort Valley. Our core
business
> has
> > > > been
> > > > > > > built on
> > > > > > > > resourcefulness, giving the customer what they want,
> > > > excellent
> > > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > > service.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And we have heeded the complaints about the rally
and
> we
> > > will
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > > Perry next year with a more robust program as well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Again, thanks so much to all of you who have
responded
> in
> > > > > support
> > > > > > > of our
> > > > > > > > company and who have passed on their well wishes for
> me. As
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > of you know
> > > > > > > > it is a progressive disease and every couple years
it
> > > > overcomes
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > medication and there is a trail and error period
where
> we
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > figure out
> > > > > > > > what to do next but don¹t get me wrong I consider
> myself a
> > > > very
> > > > > > > lucky and
> > > > > > > > blessed man and every day that I am given is a gift
> and a
> > > > > > > blessing, I try to
> > > > > > > > live it to the fullest. It is friends like you and
so
> many
> > > > > others
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > reached out to me privately in response to this
> situation
> > > > that
> > > > > > > truly
> > > > > > > > reinforce how lucky I am to be doing what I am doing.
> > > > > > > > THANKS to ALL and wishing each and every one of you
> Good
> > > > > Health,
> > > > > > > Good
> > > > > > > > Fortune, Joy, Peace and Prosperity during the
Holiday
> > > Season
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Always!
> > > > > > > > Macy
> > > > > > > > Macy Neshati
> > > > > > > > Vice President, Sales & Marketing
> > > > > > > > Complete Coach Works & Blue Bird Coachworks
> > > > > > > > Office: 951-684-9585 Cell: 951-836-6525 Fax: 951-684-
> 9585
> > > > > > > > Visit Our Websites: http://www.completecoach.com
> > > > > > > &http://www.bluebirdcoachworks.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tom McCarthy]

My mistake is the same. Never having been to RIV, I did not hear
about a RATS gathering until the price of RIV was doubled. Thanks
for clarifying , Ralph.

Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
Poway CA
Pretty Penny
95 PT42

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph,
> Thanks for the clairification. Since the first ones were mostly
done
> by email, I thought the first postings were for the first RATS. In
> any event, from what I'm told, it has grown to be a nice event and
I
> hope to attend in the future if BB brings the RITV back to Perry.
> Hope all is well with you and yours. PS, Where have you been? I
miss
> your prosaic and eloquent posts.
>
> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rich:
> >
> > The RATS you mention was the 3rd time the get together was to
> happen in
> > 2005. The first 2 were to extend the time there, actually use it
> to "wind
> > down" a day or 3. Ernie, Bim Burt and I, along with John S. and
> some others
> > did the first 2. This was to extend time with Brenda and Ernie
> before they
> > headed to Fla to visit Ernie's Mom. 2003 and 2004 were
held "after"
> RIV.
> > 2004 was the year Ernie blew a front air bag at the Fairgrounds
and
> limped
> > to RATS where we change it out in under 45 minutes.
> >
> > The Time you mention came up just after a report of the price of
> RIV going
> > from what?$250.00 or 300. to $500. in one jump and ppl balked
that
> was in 2005
> >
> > The first one, really, was done by e-mails then talked about at
the
> pre
> > stage and some word spread here and there that we were going
across
> the
> > street for a couple of days. The second one was broader in scope
> and
> > Randy, John, Bruce, Ron and Shirley, "a bunch" showed up and we
had
> a ball.
> >
> > Then it got BIG!!!!!! And John and others started doing the pre
> planning
> > and so forth as it is now, so all would be on the same page.
> >
> > Yes there was mention of a "protest" gathering at the same time
as
> RIV but
> > even that, I believe, was only talked about and RATS was still
> after RIV.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 07:39 PM 11/6/2008 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Wow,
> > >
> > >How time changes things. While I have never attended a RATS
rally,
> I
> > >have attended many RITV's and have been hanging around the
> > >Wanderlodge forums for years. Unless the posts have been purged,
> they
> > >will show that the first mention of a RATS rally was to "beat the
> > >system" and offer an alternative to paying the new higher cost to
> > >attend the RITV. There was even talk of "sneaking" into the
> > >fairgrounds to attend seminars. That is what turned me off about
> > >attending then. But things do change for the better. The reason
> for
> > >the RATS has become a continuation of camaraderie and is a great
> > >idea. But lets not cloud history unless you are sure all of the
> > >original posts are gone from everywhere.
> > >
> > >Rich D. '99LXi43'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that
goes
> to a
> > > > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to
> pass.
> > > > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone
could
> then
> > > > be privy to the true information.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
> > >clouded
> > > > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
> individuals
> > > > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success
> they
> > >are.
> > > > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished.
If
> our
> > > > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I
would
> have
> > > > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend
our
> > >time
> > > > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and
> perhaps
> > > > > another
> > > > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done
via
> e-
> > >mails
> > > > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing
at
> the
> > > > > > time. This was done in large part because the
consensus
> was
> > >that
> > > > > 4-
> > > > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for
some
> of
> > >us.
> > > > > In
> > > > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way
from
> > >Texas,
> > > > > 4-
> > > > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
> > >money,
> > > > > RITV
> > > > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend
more
> > >time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up
> as a
> > >$
> > > > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official
Perry
> > >thing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar
> bus
> > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WRONG!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
> > >caused
> > > > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize
> it, or
> > > > > were
> > > > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact.
Ernie,
> > >Ralph,
> > > > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
> > >constant
> > > > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > > > "My Navion"
> > > > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did
more
> > >than my
> > > > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > > > >
> >
>

[Tom McCarthy]

My mistake is the same. Never having been to RIV, I did not hear
about a RATS gathering until the price of RIV was doubled. Thanks
for clarifying , Ralph.

Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
Poway CA
Pretty Penny
95 PT42

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "g_man1146"
wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph,
> Thanks for the clairification. Since the first ones were mostly
done
> by email, I thought the first postings were for the first RATS. In
> any event, from what I'm told, it has grown to be a nice event and
I
> hope to attend in the future if BB brings the RITV back to Perry.
> Hope all is well with you and yours. PS, Where have you been? I
miss
> your prosaic and eloquent posts.
>
> Rich D. '99LXi43' CT
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rich:
> >
> > The RATS you mention was the 3rd time the get together was to
> happen in
> > 2005. The first 2 were to extend the time there, actually use it
> to "wind
> > down" a day or 3. Ernie, Bim Burt and I, along with John S. and
> some others
> > did the first 2. This was to extend time with Brenda and Ernie
> before they
> > headed to Fla to visit Ernie's Mom. 2003 and 2004 were
held "after"
> RIV.
> > 2004 was the year Ernie blew a front air bag at the Fairgrounds
and
> limped
> > to RATS where we change it out in under 45 minutes.
> >
> > The Time you mention came up just after a report of the price of
> RIV going
> > from what?$250.00 or 300. to $500. in one jump and ppl balked
that
> was in 2005
> >
> > The first one, really, was done by e-mails then talked about at
the
> pre
> > stage and some word spread here and there that we were going
across
> the
> > street for a couple of days. The second one was broader in scope
> and
> > Randy, John, Bruce, Ron and Shirley, "a bunch" showed up and we
had
> a ball.
> >
> > Then it got BIG!!!!!! And John and others started doing the pre
> planning
> > and so forth as it is now, so all would be on the same page.
> >
> > Yes there was mention of a "protest" gathering at the same time
as
> RIV but
> > even that, I believe, was only talked about and RATS was still
> after RIV.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 07:39 PM 11/6/2008 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Wow,
> > >
> > >How time changes things. While I have never attended a RATS
rally,
> I
> > >have attended many RITV's and have been hanging around the
> > >Wanderlodge forums for years. Unless the posts have been purged,
> they
> > >will show that the first mention of a RATS rally was to "beat the
> > >system" and offer an alternative to paying the new higher cost to
> > >attend the RITV. There was even talk of "sneaking" into the
> > >fairgrounds to attend seminars. That is what turned me off about
> > >attending then. But things do change for the better. The reason
> for
> > >the RATS has become a continuation of camaraderie and is a great
> > >idea. But lets not cloud history unless you are sure all of the
> > >original posts are gone from everywhere.
> > >
> > >Rich D. '99LXi43'
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ernie: It might be handy to have a link on our menu that
goes
> to a
> > > > definitions file saying what an event is and how it came to
> pass.
> > > > This could include RATS, RIV, Quartzsite, etc.. Everyone
could
> then
> > > > be privy to the true information.
> > > >
> > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ernest Ekberg"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > John- you are correct. Although the RATS idea came from my
> > >clouded
> > > > > brain, it was the collaborative effort of quite a few
> individuals
> > > > > that made the first and subsequent RATS rallies the success
> they
> > >are.
> > > > > I am flattered that the idea has continued and flourished.
If
> our
> > > > > business we as it was at that firts RATS- Brenda and I
would
> have
> > > > > been able to attend. Thanks ERnie Ekberg- 83PT40 in Texas
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Stiles"wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is incorrect. The first RATS was simply to extend
our
> > >time
> > > > > > together after RITV. Ernie, myself, Ralph, Bruce and
> perhaps
> > > > > another
> > > > > > or two discussED meeting after the RITV. This was done
via
> e-
> > >mails
> > > > > > initially then Ernie put the idea to the group existing
at
> the
> > > > > > time. This was done in large part because the
consensus
> was
> > >that
> > > > > 4-
> > > > > > busy days at RITV did not really give enough time for
some
> of
> > >us.
> > > > > In
> > > > > > addition for those such as Ernie traveling all the way
from
> > >Texas,
> > > > > 4-
> > > > > > days almost didn't justify the trip. RATS was not about
> > >money,
> > > > > RITV
> > > > > > or anything else but just some owners wanting to spend
more
> > >time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gregory OConnor wrote: Rats was set up
> as a
> > >$
> > > > > > > > > alternative to the big buck cost of the official
Perry
> > >thing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > serve the folks that were not in the million dollar
> bus
> > > > > market
> > > > > > > > > anyway, just wanted good times and fellowship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WRONG!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its this constant rumoring of the origin of RATS which has
> > >caused
> > > > > > such turmoil over the years. If you didn't help organize
> it, or
> > > > > were
> > > > > > not even there please don't present opinion as fact.
Ernie,
> > >Ralph,
> > > > > > how about speaking up and lets please put a stop to the
> > >constant
> > > > > > misinformationi about RATS!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > > 1980 33FC
> > > > > > "My Navion"
> > > > > > And yes I was at the 1st RATS, helped organize and did
more
> > >than my
> > > > > > share in helping put away the grub.....
> > > > > >
> >
>