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[Wallace Craig]

Ron; it is truly refreshing to hear a positive thought about what BB is doing.
Its easy to hang crepe in the market place and once having hung it, it blows to
all corners. I know nothing about marketing BB's and will leave that to those
that know the full story. I am hopeful that others will heed your thoughts and
advice.

ronmarabito2002 wrote:
I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their every
move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
us to move forward together.

I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few here on
the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would be
usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> dealers additional price breaks " ???
>
> If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price breaks"
> isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how is the
> factory going to make additional money this way? One of the problems
> today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in mumbo
> jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything anymore.
>
> There is tremendous overhead connected with designing, manufacturing,
> selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department over
> the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5 to
> Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult to get
> parts for BB now no matter what the year.
>
> With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see that
> will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see them
> succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center,NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
>
>
>
>
> At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling direct
> >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price breaks,
> >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct. Therefor,
> >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most attractive
> >price".
> >
> >David Brady,
> >'02 LXi
> >
> >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that mean that
> > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the dealers are
> > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they possibly
> > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory announced. ""The
> > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to offer our
> > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the most
> > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does this
> > > mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the factory
> > > will not sell coaches direct?
> > >
> > > It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does not like
> > > the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got to be a
> > > very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
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[Stephen Birtles]

I think Bluebird has done an admirable job of supporting all owners
with vintage Birds as well as the new coaches
I do not believe that there is another manufacturer that is willing or
able to give the time and energy that Bluebird does to its owners.
Sorry if you have to wait for an answer there is only one Benny and
one Earl. You cant call GM OR Ford or DC and ever expect an answer on
a twenty year old vehicle it just aint gonna happen. Even if you do
call you get a call centre that doesnt know squat
As far as not being able to obtain parts.
The federal mandate for AUTOMOBILES is availability of parts for 10
years only. Do you really expect Bluebird to support your twenty year
coach till the end of time. I have spent a good part of my spare time
sourcing parts that are no longer available . I hold no grudge to
Bluebird it just makes it fun to be an owner of a relic or vintage
bird . Its part of the hobby of owning a recreational vehicle that is
Vintage
I feel lucky that most parts for my 77 are still available and quite a
few from Bluebird. Actually it is sort of neat that parts from a much
newer coach will cross back to 77. Try doing that with your 77 phord
Ihave spent a good amount of time sourcing parts that are no longer
available from Bluebird and there are others who have done the same
Bluebird is not the only manufacturer going through a tough spot .
Wait till the figures come out for the rest of the RV Industry . It is
already reported that park model trailer sales are flat in the first
quarter.
I applaud Bluebird on its efforts and only hope in time to able to
afford my 450 (in Blue)

Stephen 77fc35

And Fred next time bluebird cleans out the shop give me a call first
before you fill the dumpster






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
>
> I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their every
> move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
> assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
> us to move forward together.
>
> I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few here on
> the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
> you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would be
> usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> > dealers additional price breaks " ???
> >
> > If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price breaks"
> > isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how is
the
> > factory going to make additional money this way? One of the problems
> > today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in mumbo
> > jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything anymore.
> >
> > There is tremendous overhead connected with designing, manufacturing,
> > selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> > motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department over
> > the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5 to
> > Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult to
get
> > parts for BB now no matter what the year.
> >
> > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see that
> > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see
them
> > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling direct
> > >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price breaks,
> > >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct. Therefor,
> > >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most attractive
> > >price".
> > >
> > >David Brady,
> > >'02 LXi
> > >
> > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that mean that
> > > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the
dealers are
> > > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they possibly
> > > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory announced.
""The
> > > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to
offer our
> > > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the most
> > > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does this
> > > > mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the
factory
> > > > will not sell coaches direct?
> > > >
> > > > It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does not like
> > > > the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got to
be a
> > > > very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Warner
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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[Scott]

Folks, well I will keep this short my "rant" is on another forum.
Quite honestly and from my experience (remember I was there at the
RATS Rally and had a face to face) BlueBird could care less about
this internet crowd, we own, for the most part, used older coaches,
THAT WERE ALREADY SOLD ONCE from a dealer. BlueBird only makes money
from parts we buy, a serious far cry from saving the company. They
MUST SELL NEW UNITS

Lets all be real here.

For example and I quote from the sales force of "ONE" "next year NO
ONE will enter the rally without paying for it"...I would have a hard
time dropping $500.00 just TO LOOK even if I was serious about a new
coach...I know John Bleakley and Mike M appreciated the guys at the
RATS rally from NY and IN that came to look! The roses and flowers we
all got in the follow up from the rally were NOT THE SAME from the
dealers...who did not sell a coach but incurred major expense. So
someone does not have a realistic view of their market! I could offer
a guess..probably the guy sitting in Ft Valley trying to figure out
what to do.

So listening to "corporate damage control" is just that! They were
spewing all is well before they even entered the Las Vegas court.

NOW IF WE REALLY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE.. If BB really cares
about what opinions/criticisms we on the forums have... WHY DOESNT
SOMEONE FROM THE MARKETING SIDE OF THE COMPANY SPEAK UP??? Have an
open discussion. Maybe my third line above really tells the story...

I have said it before and STILL believe it...the folks that have
poured their lives into making our coaches what they are; are the
ones suffering...THEY DESERVE BETTER...

Scott B
86FC35
SC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
>
> I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their every
> move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
> assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
> us to move forward together.
>
> I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few here
on
> the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
> you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would be
> usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> >
> > David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> > dealers additional price breaks " ??? confused>
> >
> > If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price breaks"
> > isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how
is the
> > factory going to make additional money this way? One of the
problems
> > today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in
mumbo
> > jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything
anymore.
> >
> > There is tremendous overhead connected with designing,
manufacturing,
> > selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> > motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department
over
> > the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5
to
> > Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult
to get
> > parts for BB now no matter what the year.
> >
> > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
that
> > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see
them
> > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling direct
> > >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price
breaks,
> > >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct.
Therefor,
> > >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most
attractive
> > >price".
> > >
> > >David Brady,
> > >'02 LXi
> > >
> > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that mean
that
> > > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the
dealers are
> > > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they
possibly
> > > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory
announced. ""The
> > > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to
offer our
> > > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the
most
> > > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does
this
> > > > mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the
factory
> > > > will not sell coaches direct?
> > > >
> > > > It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does not
like
> > > > the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got
to be a
> > > > very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Warner
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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[smquandt]

From a new owner of a 93 PT40, first time owner

I come to this group via a Chris-Craft boat group and two MG car
groups. The factory is interested in SALES and making a profit.
Chris-Craft was bought and sold many times, the new owners are
interested in the legacy but don't support 1960's boats like mine
let alone 1930's. MG has come and gone, there is no support.
Ultimately the support for older vehicles, boats etc falls to us,
the owners of those vintage vehicles. Let the factory do what it
needs to survive and keep the legacy alive.

Now the important question, does anyone know what dish TV network
offers CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Co.)? I need my Hockey Night in
Canada fix when we travel next winter.

Many more questions to follow!!

Steve Quandt
Iron Mtn MI / Spread Eagle WI

Coach pics at http://www.parliamentcoach.com/prod373.htm
Car pics at http://groups.msn.com/midgetsprite/steve...idget.msnw



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
wrote:
>
> Ron; it is truly refreshing to hear a positive thought about what
BB is doing. Its easy to hang crepe in the market place and once
having hung it, it blows to all corners. I know nothing about
marketing BB's and will leave that to those that know the full
story. I am hopeful that others will heed your thoughts and advice.
>
> ronmarabito2002 wrote:
> I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their
every
> move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
> assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
> us to move forward together.
>
> I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few
here on
> the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
> you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would
be
> usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> > dealers additional price breaks " ???
> >
> > If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price
breaks"
> > isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how
is the
> > factory going to make additional money this way? One of the
problems
> > today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in
mumbo
> > jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything
anymore.
> >
> > There is tremendous overhead connected with designing,
manufacturing,
> > selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> > motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department over
> > the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5
to
> > Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult
to get
> > parts for BB now no matter what the year.
> >
> > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
that
> > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see
them
> > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling
direct
> > >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price
breaks,
> > >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct.
Therefor,
> > >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most
attractive
> > >price".
> > >
> > >David Brady,
> > >'02 LXi
> > >
> > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that
mean that
> > > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the
dealers are
> > > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they
possibly
> > > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory
announced. ""The
> > > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to
offer our
> > > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the
most
> > > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does
this
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to be a
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All good points. No entity cares about the past, it don't pay the bills.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
83FC35
----- Original Message -----
From: smquandt
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: BB Direct Sales info


From a new owner of a 93 PT40, first time owner

I come to this group via a Chris-Craft boat group and two MG car
groups. The factory is interested in SALES and making a profit.
Chris-Craft was bought and sold many times, the new owners are
interested in the legacy but don't support 1960's boats like mine
let alone 1930's. MG has come and gone, there is no support.
Ultimately the support for older vehicles, boats etc falls to us,
the owners of those vintage vehicles. Let the factory do what it
needs to survive and keep the legacy alive.

Now the important question, does anyone know what dish TV network
offers CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Co.)? I need my Hockey Night in
Canada fix when we travel next winter.

Many more questions to follow!!

Steve Quandt
Iron Mtn MI / Spread Eagle WI

Coach pics at http://www.parliamentcoach.com/prod373.htm
Car pics at http://groups.msn.com/midgetsprite/steve...idget.msnw



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
wrote:
>
> Ron; it is truly refreshing to hear a positive thought about what
BB is doing. Its easy to hang crepe in the market place and once
having hung it, it blows to all corners. I know nothing about
marketing BB's and will leave that to those that know the full
story. I am hopeful that others will heed your thoughts and advice.
>
> ronmarabito2002 wrote:
> I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their
every
> move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
> assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
> us to move forward together.
>
> I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few
here on
> the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
> you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would
be
> usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> > dealers additional price breaks " ???
> >
> > If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price
breaks"
> > isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how
is the
> > factory going to make additional money this way? One of the
problems
> > today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in
mumbo
> > jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything
anymore.
> >
> > There is tremendous overhead connected with designing,
manufacturing,
> > selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> > motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department over
> > the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5
to
> > Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult
to get
> > parts for BB now no matter what the year.
> >
> > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
that
> > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see
them
> > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling
direct
> > >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price
breaks,
> > >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct.
Therefor,
> > >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most
attractive
> > >price".
> > >
> > >David Brady,
> > >'02 LXi
> > >
> > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that
mean that
> > > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the
dealers are
> > > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they
possibly
> > > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory
announced. ""The
> > > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to
offer our
> > > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the
most
> > > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does
this
> > > > mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the
factory
> > > > will not sell coaches direct?
> > > >
> > > > It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does
not like
> > > > the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got
to be a
> > > > very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Warner
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
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[Stephen Birtles]

thats why the systems are multiplexed they follow an industry standard
for ease of repair one or two diagnostic ports to access all the
electrical systems.The information bus on the 450 can be accessed from
the outside of the coach if need be. The canbus is industry standard
for almost all heavy vehicles do a search and read and learn
Tom wake up and smell the diesel it is easier to diagnose a problem on
a 450 than it ever was on a older lxi.
quit ragging on how good the old were and how simple it was and how
bad Bluebird is. It is not 1985 anymore
At the risk of being booted by the moderators either put up or shut up
nuff said
Stephen 77fc35



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> David you have a 2002 LXI , its a beautiful coach and complicated
> from the aspect of the many redundant systems and lots of work to
> keep it running at its peak. The engine and transmission should be no
> problem since it is used by many other over the road trucks and
> buses. But honestly how many repair facilities have you been able to
> find that can work on the rest of the coach, and that you have
> confidence in? The M450 is many levels above the LXI when it comes
> to finding a repair shop that can keep one running, with multiplexed
> wiring and manabloc plumbing. Open the panels up and look at the
> wiring and relays and most mechanics will scratch their heads and
> button everything back up. What I am saying is that there are now
> many many nice coaches out there, a condition that did not exist when
> Bluebird was in its prime. Anyone can design and build a beautiful
> motorhome now but the real problem is keeping it repaired. Buy one
> here in New York state and who is going to repair it?
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center,NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
>
> . know At 05:53 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> >I want to see them succeed too Tom. I test drove the 450 the
> >other day and it is a great coach. Should appeal to a wide audience.
> >We'll have to wait and see.
> >
> >David Brady
> >'02 LXi, Smokey
> >Va
> >
> >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
that
> > > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to
see them
> > > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "smquandt" wrote:
>
> From a new owner of a 93 PT40, first time owner
>
> I come to this group via a Chris-Craft boat group and two MG car
> groups. The factory is interested in SALES and making a profit.
> Chris-Craft was bought and sold many times, the new owners are
> interested in the legacy but don't support 1960's boats like mine
> let alone 1930's. MG has come and gone, there is no support.
> Ultimately the support for older vehicles, boats etc falls to us,
> the owners of those vintage vehicles. Let the factory do what it
> needs to survive and keep the legacy alive.
>
> Now the important question, does anyone know what dish TV network
> offers CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Co.)? I need my Hockey Night in
> Canada fix when we travel next winter.
>
> Many more questions to follow!!
>
> Steve Quandt
> Iron Mtn MI / Spread Eagle WI
>
> Coach pics at http://www.parliamentcoach.com/prod373.htm
> Car pics at http://groups.msn.com/midgetsprite/steve...idget.msnw
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wallace Craig
> wrote:
> >
> > Ron; it is truly refreshing to hear a positive thought about what
> BB is doing. Its easy to hang crepe in the market place and once
> having hung it, it blows to all corners. I know nothing about
> marketing BB's and will leave that to those that know the full
> story. I am hopeful that others will heed your thoughts and advice.
> >
> > ronmarabito2002 wrote:
> > I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their
> every
> > move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> > succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> > positive. Surely among all our talents and knowledge, we could
> > assist. That frankly, what was what Fred wanted when he first asked
> > us to move forward together.
> >
> > I'm not an automotive sales expert, but I know their are a few
> here on
> > the forum. If they have a better answer, then let's here it. Tom,
> > you always have a comment, so how about a positive one that would
> be
> > usefull. It is easy to be critical, but difficult to lead the way.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > David would you care to explain this again, " they extended the
> > > dealers additional price breaks " ???
> > >
> > > If the factory sells to the dealers via "additional price
> breaks"
> > > isn't that actually lowering the suggested list price? And how
> is the
> > > factory going to make additional money this way? One of the
> problems
> > > today is that the retail price of Motorhomes is so cloaked in
> mumbo
> > > jumbo. "Suggested list price" really doesnt mean anything
> anymore.
> > >
> > > There is tremendous overhead connected with designing,
> manufacturing,
> > > selling , and stock piling parts to support the high end
> > > motorhomes. I have seen the decline of the parts department over
> > > the last 4 years. The technical staff has been reduced from 4-5
> to
> > > Bennie Collier alone. Parts about the same and it is difficult
> to get
> > > parts for BB now no matter what the year.
> > >
> > > With this in mind does anyone else see something that I dont see
> that
> > > will pull Bluebird out of this nose dive? I honestly want to see
> them
> > > succeed and continue producting good coaches but?
> > >
> > > Tom Warner
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Simple, weeks ago when the factory was negotiating selling
> direct
> > > >with the dealers, they extended the dealers additional price
> breaks,
> > > >which the factory can now make up for by selling direct.
> Therefor,
> > > >we benefit by getting the "finest motorcoach at the most
> attractive
> > > >price".
> > > >
> > > >David Brady,
> > > >'02 LXi
> > > >
> > > >Tom Warner wrote:
> > > > > Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that
> mean that
> > > > > the factory will not discount the coaches below what the
> dealers are
> > > > > selling them for? If this is the case then how can they
> possibly
> > > > > lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> > > > > announcement indicated? Here is what the factory
> announced. ""The
> > > > > efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to
> offer our
> > > > > customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the
> most
> > > > > attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> > > > > Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does
> this
> > > > > mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the
> factory
> > > > > will not sell coaches direct?
> > > > >
> > > > > It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does
> not like
> > > > > the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got
> to be a
> > > > > very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Warner
> > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > > 1985 PT 40
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[Gregory OConnor]

Blue Bird is doing a good job by recognizing that the dealers sell
many brands and or located near dealers that sell other brands (RV
Marts). I think few shop for a new BlueBird. They shop for a
Highend Coach and end up with what ever the sales team wants to put
them in. If BB sold only at the factory and had regional sales teams,
(John, can the Bosh and Decal gig) The teams could push only the BB
Coach. Sure, They will miss out on the walkup RVMart buyers. I
think few buyers do an impulse purchase on a million dollar item
any way.

Train BB existing network of Schoolbus repair facilities to do High
end RV repair since even the Prevost have many identical parts,
systems, and maintenance requirements. The addition of the money
making high end RV repair and scheduled maintenance should be good
for these shops. Grouping Prevost Newell and BlueBird together in a
service advertisement is a good way to remind Newell and Prevost
shoppers and owners that BB is also a high end coach and should be
considered for purchase.

Screw the old BB crowd. Cut your losses and dump the inventory to a
reseller that can cater to the old bus buyers. ( parts will prob. be
cheaper to enduser) At most, help set up an Internet data base that
list info specs mechanical tips and source for parts. Have a policy
that helps these Internet groups help each
other.

Give high visible personalities a one year free lease on a Coach.
Get them lined up at all the Nascar Pits, NFL Players tailgate
parties, even give HRC one for her cross county campaign (Sup Mike).

Pass the negative info with the positive info. If you send my post
let them know what I do for a living.

Gregory O'Connor
94pt40 (one of the old BB crowd)
Romoland California

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002"
wrote:
>
>
> I don't think we are helping BB by constantly critcizing their every
> move. What we need to be doing is suggesting ways for them to
> succeed. I'd be glad to pass on whatever information that would be
> positive.

[ronmarabito2002]

O.K. Guys. Let's keep this friendly and not personal. As a matter of
information: Tom did send me some positive suggestions this evening
and they all were valid. I asked Tom to post them to start a dialogue.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> thats why the systems are multiplexed they follow an industry standard
> for ease of repair one or two diagnostic ports to access all the
> electrical systems.The information bus on the 450 can be accessed from
> the outside of the coach if need be. The canbus is industry standard
> for almost all heavy vehicles do a search and read and learn
> Tom wake up and smell the diesel it is easier to diagnose a problem on
> a 450 than it ever was on a older lxi.
> quit ragging on how good the old were and how simple it was and how
> bad Bluebird is. It is not 1985 anymore
> At the risk of being booted by the moderators either put up or shut up
> nuff said
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
> >
> > David you have a 2002 LXI , its a beautiful coach and complicated
> > from the aspect of the many redundant systems and lots of work to
> > keep it running at its peak. The engine and transmission should be no
> > problem since it is used by many other over the road trucks and
> > buses. But honestly how many repair facilities have you been able to
> > find that can work on the rest of the coach, and that you have
> > confidence in? The M450 is many levels above the LXI when it comes
> > to finding a repair shop that can keep one running, with multiplexed
> > wiring and manabloc plumbing. Open the panels up and look at the
> > wiring and relays and most mechanics will scratch their heads and
> > button everything back up. What I am saying is that there are now
> > many many nice coaches out there, a condition that did not exist when
> > Bluebird was in its prime. Anyone can design and build a beautiful
> > motorhome now but the real problem is keeping it repaired. Buy one
> > here in New York state and who is going to repair it?
> >
> > Tom Warner
> > Vernon Center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> >
> > . know At 05:53 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> > >I want to see them succeed too Tom. I test drove the 450 the
> > >other day and it is a great coach. Should appeal to a wide audience.
> > >We'll have to wait and see.
> > >
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[George Lowry]

You are quite correct about Newell - OTOH Bluebird does not follow any such
policy. When we were looking to move up in the wanderlodge line, (A 450lxi)
they offered much less than the true value of our existing coach. In fact,
two years later, it sold for twice as much as their offer. While Bluebird
used to offer a superior product with support, the trend I have been seeing
is one of the reasons I did not insist that we remain out of the fiberglass
coaches.

George Lowry
'06 Alpine Apex - Formerly '95 WBDA 4203
Spearfish, SD - visiting grandkids in Kuna, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ronmarabito2002
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:52 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: BB Direct Sales info



Perhaps there is some limits set between the factory and dealers that
gives protection to the dealers. Since we are not privy to their
agreement, we can only speculate.

If it is not fair, then the dealers will all drop out and maybe that
is the strategy. Newell functions quite well without dealers, but
they produce custom coaches and only 33 coaches per year. Newell also
controls their used coach market and pricing quite well, since they
accept all trade-ins for their following to move up to newer models.
They do a thorough inspection and repair before putting them back on
the market with a warranty.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> Ron if there is no downside to any dealer then does that mean that
> the factory will not discount the coaches below what the dealers are
> selling them for? If this is the case then how can they possibly
> lower the price to be competitive in todays market like the
> announcement indicated? Here is what the factory announced. ""The
> efficiency of factory-direct sales will allow Blue Bird to offer our
> customers the finest motorcoach with the best service at the most
> attractive price," said Fred VanDenBerg, Blue Bird
> Coachworks'director of motorcoach sales and marketing." Does this
> mean that each dealer will have a certain area in which the factory
> will not sell coaches direct?
>
> It appears that at least one dealer , John Bleakley, does not like
> the program since they are no longer a dealer. This has got to be a
> very bad sign for Bluebird. Time will tell.
>
> Tom Warner
> Vernon Center,NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
>
> At 09:01 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
> >All:
> >
> > I heard from Fred VanDenBerg this morning, quickly after
> >requesting the factory thinking on Direct Sales. Here is directly
> >what Fred had to say:
> >
> >"Our dealers find no fault in the Limited Factory Direct Sales effort.
> >Thereis no downside for any dealer. The dealer regions is protected,
> >his prospects are protected. Ltd. Factory Direct only increases the
> >possibility of more products being sold, and that's good for everyone."
> >
> >R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40
> >Currently in Capitol Reef NP, Utah
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