Headlight Mod starting point

[one_dusty_hoot]

I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
"E" appended.

Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.

Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
relays would be in all that followed September 1987.

Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC

[Curt Sprenger]

Bob,
Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and ask if he can
verify what you said. Please keep us posted.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



one_dusty_hoot wrote:

> I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> "E" appended.
>
> Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
>
> Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
>
> Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
>
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?

Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
September, 87.

Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
is you can still have low lighting with the relays
if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.

I recall you being interested in a drawing because
your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
perhaps you needed the modification.

Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
it does not mean that modification has been done to
my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.

Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> Bob,
> Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and ask if he
can
> verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> one_dusty_hoot wrote:
>
> > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > "E" appended.
> >
> > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> >
> > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> >
> > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> >
> >
>

[Curt Sprenger]

Bob,
Yes, please check with Bluebird re. the PTs & SPs. It will be
interesting to know.

Other's with newer models than 1987 have requested the headlight upgrade
information. Seems they are having problems. As you say, the relays
could be there but are bad.

The only way to tell if you have good voltage is to test your headlights
at the headlight sockets.

Several of us created drawings and instructions for upgrading lighting
systems. I did our headlight upgrade a couple months ago. What a
difference. Now I can see the highway at night with the low beams on.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.


one_dusty_hoot wrote:

> Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
> draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
>
> Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
> know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
> September, 87.
>
> Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
> from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
> down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
> be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
> is you can still have low lighting with the relays
> if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
>
> I recall you being interested in a drawing because
> your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
> perhaps you needed the modification.
>
> Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
> Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
> it does not mean that modification has been done to
> my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
>
> Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , Curt Sprenger
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and ask if he
> can
> > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
> >
> >
> > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> >
> > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > "E" appended.
> > >
> > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > >
> > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > >
> > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[Tom Warner]

I believe the high/low beam switch is used to trigger the relays. So
trace the two wires from the high/low beam switch and you will find
the relays somewhere in the bottom of the front not the top.

tom warner
Vernon Center,Ny
1985 PT 40

At 11:44 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:

>Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
>draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
>
>Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
>know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
>September, 87.
>
>Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
>from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
>down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
>be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
>is you can still have low lighting with the relays
>if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
>
>I recall you being interested in a drawing because
>your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
>perhaps you needed the modification.
>
>Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
>Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
>it does not mean that modification has been done to
>my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
>
>Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
>
>--- In
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
>Curt Sprenger
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and ask if he
>can
> > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> >
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
> >
> >
> > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> >
> > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > "E" appended.
> > >
> > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > >
> > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > >
> > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Took awhile and a few calls but finally got the location
of the relays from a Mike Burkett at BB.

The grille has to be removed, originally Allen head, about 3/16"
(on the '87,88,8?)

There is a panel on the driver's side below the WS wiper that is
either bolted or hinged down. Relays are located there behind that
panel.

There is no record as to chassis number as to when this started
("records were not too good back then") but once started it was
done on all coaches.

The "ccn#" is an engineering change number, not a chassis #
that I presumed.

" I think your coach had them" (relays)talking about '87
and bottom line answer:

" The best way to check your headlights for low voltage is
to remove them while connected then measure the voltage at
the lamp."

Bob '87 FC35 Greenville, sc



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> I believe the high/low beam switch is used to trigger the relays.
So
> trace the two wires from the high/low beam switch and you will find
> the relays somewhere in the bottom of the front not the top.
>
> tom warner
> Vernon Center,Ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 11:44 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
> >draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
> >
> >Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
> >know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
> >September, 87.
> >
> >Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
> >from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
> >down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
> >be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
> >is you can still have low lighting with the relays
> >if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
> >
> >I recall you being interested in a drawing because
> >your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
> >perhaps you needed the modification.
> >
> >Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
> >Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
> >it does not mean that modification has been done to
> >my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
> >
> >Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
> >
> >--- In
> > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> >Curt Sprenger
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and ask
if he
> >can
> > > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> > >
> > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > > "E" appended.
> > > >
> > > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > > >
> > > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > > >
> > > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[pattypape]

Bob,

Thanks for your research, this is good information.

Bill 88 FC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Took awhile and a few calls but finally got the location
> of the relays from a Mike Burkett at BB.
>
> The grille has to be removed, originally Allen head, about 3/16"
> (on the '87,88,8?)
>
> There is a panel on the driver's side below the WS wiper that is
> either bolted or hinged down. Relays are located there behind that
> panel.
>
> There is no record as to chassis number as to when this started
> ("records were not too good back then") but once started it was
> done on all coaches.
>
> The "ccn#" is an engineering change number, not a chassis #
> that I presumed.
>
> " I think your coach had them" (relays)talking about '87
> and bottom line answer:
>
> " The best way to check your headlights for low voltage is
> to remove them while connected then measure the voltage at
> the lamp."
>
> Bob '87 FC35 Greenville, sc
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> >
> > I believe the high/low beam switch is used to trigger the
relays.
> So
> > trace the two wires from the high/low beam switch and you will
find
> > the relays somewhere in the bottom of the front not the top.
> >
> > tom warner
> > Vernon Center,Ny
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 11:44 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
> > >draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
> > >
> > >Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
> > >know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
> > >September, 87.
> > >
> > >Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
> > >from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
> > >down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
> > >be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
> > >is you can still have low lighting with the relays
> > >if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
> > >
> > >I recall you being interested in a drawing because
> > >your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
> > >perhaps you needed the modification.
> > >
> > >Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
> > >Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
> > >it does not mean that modification has been done to
> > >my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
> > >
> > >Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
> > >
> > >--- In
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Curt Sprenger
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and
ask
> if he
> > >can
> > > > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> > > >
> > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > > > "E" appended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Hey Mike!, this thread goes back a long ways to Message #12391 when
you said you were heading to Montana in 2 weeks. Do you have that
generator running yet?

We don't want you to miss the bus, it's yours! And...we hate to see
you heading West without the air, been there, done that. Even with
the windows open you can get little air.

Give a report on what you have found and done, surely one of us
here have had a similiar situation. We have all the answers but
slap outta questions.

You said the "Light" did not come on when you pressed the switch.
Have you checked the fuses?
Have you measure any voltages?

Bob 87 FC35 Greenville, SC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Thanks for your research, this is good information.
>
> Bill 88 FC
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Took awhile and a few calls but finally got the location
> > of the relays from a Mike Burkett at BB.
> >
> > The grille has to be removed, originally Allen head, about 3/16"
> > (on the '87,88,8?)
> >
> > There is a panel on the driver's side below the WS wiper that is
> > either bolted or hinged down. Relays are located there behind
that
> > panel.
> >
> > There is no record as to chassis number as to when this started
> > ("records were not too good back then") but once started it was
> > done on all coaches.
> >
> > The "ccn#" is an engineering change number, not a chassis #
> > that I presumed.
> >
> > " I think your coach had them" (relays)talking about '87
> > and bottom line answer:
> >
> > " The best way to check your headlights for low voltage is
> > to remove them while connected then measure the voltage at
> > the lamp."
> >
> > Bob '87 FC35 Greenville, sc
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe the high/low beam switch is used to trigger the
> relays.
> > So
> > > trace the two wires from the high/low beam switch and you will
> find
> > > the relays somewhere in the bottom of the front not the top.
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > Vernon Center,Ny
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 11:44 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
> > > >draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
> > > >
> > > >Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
> > > >know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
> > > >September, 87.
> > > >
> > > >Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
> > > >from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
> > > >down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
> > > >be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
> > > >is you can still have low lighting with the relays
> > > >if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
> > > >
> > > >I recall you being interested in a drawing because
> > > >your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
> > > >perhaps you needed the modification.
> > > >
> > > >Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
> > > >Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
> > > >it does not mean that modification has been done to
> > > >my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
> > > >
> > > >Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > >
> > > >--- In
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and
> ask
> > if he
> > > >can
> > > > > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> > > > >
> > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > > > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > > > > "E" appended.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > > > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > > > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > > > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

How did I do that?
Bob

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Hey Mike!, this thread goes back a long ways to Message #12391 when
> you said you were heading to Montana in 2 weeks. Do you have that
> generator running yet?
>
> We don't want you to miss the bus, it's yours! And...we hate to see
> you heading West without the air, been there, done that. Even with
> the windows open you can get little air.
>
> Give a report on what you have found and done, surely one of us
> here have had a similiar situation. We have all the answers but
> slap outta questions.
>
> You said the "Light" did not come on when you pressed the switch.
> Have you checked the fuses?
> Have you measure any voltages?
>
> Bob 87 FC35 Greenville, SC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Thanks for your research, this is good information.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Took awhile and a few calls but finally got the location
> > > of the relays from a Mike Burkett at BB.
> > >
> > > The grille has to be removed, originally Allen head, about
3/16"
> > > (on the '87,88,8?)
> > >
> > > There is a panel on the driver's side below the WS wiper that
is
> > > either bolted or hinged down. Relays are located there behind
> that
> > > panel.
> > >
> > > There is no record as to chassis number as to when this started
> > > ("records were not too good back then") but once started it was
> > > done on all coaches.
> > >
> > > The "ccn#" is an engineering change number, not a chassis #
> > > that I presumed.
> > >
> > > " I think your coach had them" (relays)talking about '87
> > > and bottom line answer:
> > >
> > > " The best way to check your headlights for low voltage is
> > > to remove them while connected then measure the voltage at
> > > the lamp."
> > >
> > > Bob '87 FC35 Greenville, sc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe the high/low beam switch is used to trigger the
> > relays.
> > > So
> > > > trace the two wires from the high/low beam switch and you
will
> > find
> > > > the relays somewhere in the bottom of the front not the top.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > Vernon Center,Ny
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > At 11:44 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Curt, Who beside Bluebird would go to the trouble to
> > > > >draw a schmatic with the relays I can see drawn?
> > > > >
> > > > >Or, do you mean for PT's, SP's and other? I don't
> > > > >know but chances are BB included ALL coaches after
> > > > >September, 87.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bruce on this forum has problems with low lighting
> > > > >from low beams, Hi beams are bright. He is tracking
> > > > >down the problem right now. Believes the relays to
> > > > >be in overhead compartment, an 88FC35. All this says
> > > > >is you can still have low lighting with the relays
> > > > >if something goes wrong, relay, bad ground, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >I recall you being interested in a drawing because
> > > > >your headlights were dimmer than expected thinking
> > > > >perhaps you needed the modification.
> > > > >
> > > > >Heck, I can't say for sure that mine have been done?
> > > > >Just because I have a schematic with the relays on
> > > > >it does not mean that modification has been done to
> > > > >my coach, I will have to check, hope they are.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bob, 87 FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob,
> > > > > > Interesting. Could be. Give Bennie a call at Bluebird and
> > ask
> > > if he
> > > > >can
> > > > > > verify what you said. Please keep us posted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > one_dusty_hoot wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a diagram, "Diagram Master Chassis" "1987 with
> > > > > > > ZF trans FC" dated 9/87, Diagram 1259514, with Circle
> > > > > > > "E" appended.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Circle E is a headlight modification starting at "CCN
> > > > > > > 8720" which I belive may be Coach Chassis Number.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether the PT's, Sp's, and FC's with other arrangements
> > > > > > > have the relays I do not know, but I would believe these
> > > > > > > relays would be in all that followed September 1987.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bob, 87FC35, Greenville, SC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>