Generator Won't Start?

[Mike Meister]

Tom-
It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see a
circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside the
box....

thoughts?

Mike
80fc33
Taylor Mill, Ky




--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
start
> and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns over
at
> a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid lever
> and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling in.
If
> its not then check on the front of the control box and see if the
> circuit breaker is off.
>
> tom warner
> Vernon center,NY
> 1985 PT 40
>
> At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
>
> >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push it
> >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant
runs
> >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said,
there
> >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> >more feedback and think simple.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Leroy Eckert
> >1990 WB-40
> >Niceville, FL
> >
> >- In
> > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> >Curt Sprenger
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > >
> > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage to
> > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
start. No
> > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest
taking
> >your
> > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
Maybe
> >the
> > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > >
> > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it
would
> >turn
> > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> >because on
> > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for the
> >unit to
> > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of
use).
> >Our
> > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
Kohler
> > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage
unit.
> >I
> > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > >
> >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Mike,

Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling the fuel
solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting fuel. Have
you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the output side
of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to make sure
you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a older
weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent hours
chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel pressure
and changed out the lift pump.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> Tom-
> It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see a
> circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside the
> box....
>
> thoughts?
>
> Mike
> 80fc33
> Taylor Mill, Ky
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> >
> > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
> start
> > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns over
> at
> > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid lever
> > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling in.
> If
> > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if the
> > circuit breaker is off.
> >
> > tom warner
> > Vernon center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push it
> > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant
> runs
> > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said,
> there
> > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> > >more feedback and think simple.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Leroy Eckert
> > >1990 WB-40
> > >Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >- In
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Curt Sprenger
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > >
> > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage to
> > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> start. No
> > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest
> taking
> > >your
> > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
> Maybe
> > >the
> > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > >
> > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it
> would
> > >turn
> > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> > >because on
> > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for the
> > >unit to
> > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of
> use).
> > >Our
> > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> Kohler
> > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage
> unit.
> > >I
> > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike, try to operate the solenoid with a 'porta power battery pack'.
The solenoids need major amps to open but low draw to remain open.
If the battery pack opens it ( click) try and start. If you can
remove the PPBP and the fuel stays open ( genset continue to run), it
may be bad connection issue???(not enough guts to open) Note this
will bypass all the safty Murphy shut down devices as they cut the
power to the FS to shut down the system.

On a jobsite repair , I have run a wire from the starter power (
between Starter sol. and starter motor) to the fuel shut off , to
give a faulty FS more push to open. Cat replaced the 3208 fuelshut
style on later electronic engines with a high amp open ;low amp
remain-open fuel shutoff that requires two relays (Dodge Cummings had
it since 90). this can run on low low battery and works well with
the air start trucks (starter motors are powered like a pneumatic
wrench)

Gregory O'Connor
94pt Romoland Ca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> Tom-
> It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see a
> circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside the
> box....
>
> thoughts?
>
> Mike
> 80fc33
> Taylor Mill, Ky
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> >
> > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
> start
> > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
over
> at
> > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
lever
> > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling in.
> If
> > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if the
> > circuit breaker is off.
> >
> > tom warner
> > Vernon center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push
it
> > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant
> runs
> > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said,
> there
> > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> > >more feedback and think simple.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Leroy Eckert
> > >1990 WB-40
> > >Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >- In
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Curt Sprenger
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > >
> > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage
to
> > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> start. No
> > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest
> taking
> > >your
> > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
> Maybe
> > >the
> > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > >
> > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it
> would
> > >turn
> > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> > >because on
> > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for
the
> > >unit to
> > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of
> use).
> > >Our
> > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> Kohler
> > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage
> unit.
> > >I
> > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
chokes/restricts the start effort.

will check fuel now and report back

thanks





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling the fuel
> solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting fuel.
Have
> you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the output
side
> of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to make
sure
> you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a older
> weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent hours
> chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
pressure
> and changed out the lift pump.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > Tom-
> > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see
a
> > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside
the
> > box....
> >
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Mike
> > 80fc33
> > Taylor Mill, Ky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
> > start
> > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
over
> > at
> > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
lever
> > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling
in.
> > If
> > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if
the
> > > circuit breaker is off.
> > >
> > > tom warner
> > > Vernon center,NY
> > > 1985 PT 40
> > >
> > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
push it
> > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
coolant
> > runs
> > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
said,
> > there
> > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we
need
> > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > >1990 WB-40
> > > >Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > >- In
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
(voltage to
> > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> > start. No
> > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
suggest
> > taking
> > > >your
> > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
> > Maybe
> > > >the
> > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time
it
> > would
> > > >turn
> > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
alternator
> > > >because on
> > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
for the
> > > >unit to
> > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack
of
> > use).
> > > >Our
> > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> > Kohler
> > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
Newage
> > unit.
> > > >I
> > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Uh Mike,

I'm a little confused. In your response to Tom, you said "doesn't
appear the fuel solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? "

In this message, you say it is moving. That's good. Sounds like it's
working properly.

Just out of curiosity, have you tried bleeding the injectors yet? I'd
still check that fuel pressure on the lift pump before I moved on to
bleeding however.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> chokes/restricts the start effort.
>
> will check fuel now and report back
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling the fuel
> > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting fuel.
> Have
> > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the output
> side
> > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to make
> sure
> > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a older
> > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent hours
> > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> pressure
> > and changed out the lift pump.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom-
> > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
> > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see
> a
> > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside
> the
> > > box....
> > >
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 80fc33
> > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
> > > start
> > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
> over
> > > at
> > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
> lever
> > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling
> in.
> > > If
> > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if
> the
> > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
> push it
> > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> coolant
> > > runs
> > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> said,
> > > there
> > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we
> need
> > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> (voltage to
> > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> > > start. No
> > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> suggest
> > > taking
> > > > >your
> > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
> > > Maybe
> > > > >the
> > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time
> it
> > > would
> > > > >turn
> > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> alternator
> > > > >because on
> > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
> for the
> > > > >unit to
> > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack
> of
> > > use).
> > > > >Our
> > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> > > Kohler
> > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> Newage
> > > unit.
> > > > >I
> > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Mike,

While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
you gave that may need to be explored.

It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
stopped the generator till the time you tried again?

Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
to stop?
Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
center.

You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
months ago and you replaced it.
Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
right.

Bob
not quite right in that circuit.






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> chokes/restricts the start effort.
>
> will check fuel now and report back
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling the
fuel
> > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting fuel.
> Have
> > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the output
> side
> > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to make
> sure
> > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a
older
> > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent
hours
> > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> pressure
> > and changed out the lift pump.
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom-
> > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
solenoid
> > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see
> a
> > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside
> the
> > > box....
> > >
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 80fc33
> > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try
to
> > > start
> > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns
> over
> > > at
> > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid
> lever
> > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
fuel
> > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling
> in.
> > > If
> > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if
> the
> > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > >
> > > > tom warner
> > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > >
> > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
diesel
> > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could
> push it
> > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> coolant
> > > runs
> > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> said,
> > > there
> > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we
> need
> > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> (voltage to
> > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
> > > start. No
> > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> suggest
> > > taking
> > > > >your
> > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
tested.
> > > Maybe
> > > > >the
> > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time
> it
> > > would
> > > > >turn
> > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> alternator
> > > > >because on
> > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary
> for the
> > > > >unit to
> > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
(lack
> of
> > > use).
> > > > >Our
> > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
> > > Kohler
> > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> Newage
> > > unit.
> > > > >I
> > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mike Meister]

the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned the
gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect switch
(which is to the ground)
It sat a week and then would not start.

I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but I will
check to see if one is stuck

the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is ok

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> you gave that may need to be explored.
>
> It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
>
> Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> to stop?
> Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> center.
>
> You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> months ago and you replaced it.
> Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> right.
>
> Bob
> not quite right in that circuit.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> >
> > will check fuel now and report back
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling the
> fuel
> > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
fuel.
> > Have
> > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the
output
> > side
> > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to
make
> > sure
> > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a
> older
> > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent
> hours
> > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> > pressure
> > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom-
> > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> solenoid
> > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
> > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't
see
> > a
> > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
inside
> > the
> > > > box....
> > > >
> > > > thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 80fc33
> > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
try
> to
> > > > start
> > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
turns
> > over
> > > > at
> > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
solenoid
> > lever
> > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
> fuel
> > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
pulling
> > in.
> > > > If
> > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and see
if
> > the
> > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > >
> > > > > tom warner
> > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > >
> > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
> diesel
> > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
could
> > push it
> > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > coolant
> > > > runs
> > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> > said,
> > > > there
> > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think
we
> > need
> > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > (voltage to
> > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine
to
> > > > start. No
> > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> > suggest
> > > > taking
> > > > > >your
> > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> tested.
> > > > Maybe
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
time
> > it
> > > > would
> > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > alternator
> > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
necessary
> > for the
> > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
> (lack
> > of
> > > > use).
> > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator.
The
> > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> > Newage
> > > > unit.
> > > > > >I
> > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Mike,
So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
of meat on the platter.

Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)

Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
the alternator needed the battery reference for to
operate a regulator. No output control?

This is a diesel motor, right?
You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?

You have a start/stop station at the genset?
Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
at either on of the glow plugs.

Got voltage? Good!
No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
Fuel at the injector pump?
Good!
Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
If the starter spins fast,and
There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
There is fuel going into the injectors, and
There is no air in the fuel lines, and
The engine still won't start
There is a possibility that one of your injectors
is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.

Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
from you.
Bob


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
<mike.meister@...> wrote:
>
> the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned the
> gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect switch
> (which is to the ground)
> It sat a week and then would not start.
>
> I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but I
will
> check to see if one is stuck
>
> the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is ok
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > you gave that may need to be explored.
> >
> > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> >
> > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > to stop?
> > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > center.
> >
> > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > months ago and you replaced it.
> > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > right.
> >
> > Bob
> > not quite right in that circuit.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > >
> > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > >
> > > will check fuel now and report back
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling
the
> > fuel
> > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> fuel.
> > > Have
> > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the
> output
> > > side
> > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to
> make
> > > sure
> > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on a
> > older
> > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump. Spent
> > hours
> > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> > > pressure
> > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > >
> > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom-
> > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> > solenoid
> > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the
fuel
> > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't
> see
> > > a
> > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
> inside
> > > the
> > > > > box....
> > > > >
> > > > > thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
> try
> > to
> > > > > start
> > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
> turns
> > > over
> > > > > at
> > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> solenoid
> > > lever
> > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the
> > fuel
> > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> pulling
> > > in.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and
see
> if
> > > the
> > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this
for
> > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a
> > diesel
> > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
> could
> > > push it
> > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > > coolant
> > > > > runs
> > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being
> > > said,
> > > > > there
> > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think
> we
> > > need
> > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
engine
> to
> > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I
> > > suggest
> > > > > taking
> > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> > tested.
> > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
> time
> > > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > alternator
> > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> necessary
> > > for the
> > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting
> > (lack
> > > of
> > > > > use).
> > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator.
> The
> > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a
> > > Newage
> > > > > unit.
> > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tom Warner]

Isnt there a red button on the front or the generator control box
that can be pushed in to reset? If not and you have actually pulled
back on the lever in front of the fuel solenoid that connects
directly tothe injection pump and it wont start then I have to
believe it is a fuel problem. Is it getting fuel when it is turning
over? Verify this by cracking one of the injector lines at the fuel
injector and see if fuel weeps out of it. If not then you are not
getting fuel to the injector pump. Have you replaced the fuel filter
by any chance?

tom

At 10:37 AM 6/24/2006, you wrote:

>Tom-
>It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel solenoid
>lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the fuel
>solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I don't see a
>circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good inside the
>box....
>
>thoughts?
>
>Mike
>80fc33
>Taylor Mill, Ky
>
>--- In
>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
>Tom Warner
>wrote:
> >
> > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it try to
>start
> > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine turns over
>at
> > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel solenoid lever
> > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates the fuel
> > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is pulling in.
>If
> > its not then check on the front of the control box and see if the
> > circuit breaker is off.
> >
> > tom warner
> > Vernon center,NY
> > 1985 PT 40
> >
> > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this for
> > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of a diesel
> > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and could push it
> > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the coolant
>runs
> > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That being said,
>there
> > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I think we need
> > >more feedback and think simple.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Leroy Eckert
> > >1990 WB-40
> > >Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >- In
> > > >40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@y\
ahoogroups.com,
>
> > >Curt Sprenger
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > >
> > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage (voltage to
> > > > components) at start time in order for the gen. engine to
>start. No
> > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing. I suggest
>taking
> > >your
> > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set tested.
>Maybe
> > >the
> > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > >
> > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next time it
>would
> > >turn
> > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the alternator
> > >because on
> > > > initial start it would not create the voltage necessary for the
> > >unit to
> > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to sitting (lack of
>use).
> > >Our
> > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler alternator. The
>Kohler
> > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with a Newage
>unit.
> > >I
> > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[one_dusty_hoot]

Still waiting....Mike, did you go to lunch?
long ways from the coach?
Washing the Black goo off you hands before using
the computer?
Ah heck!...Just funning you.
Here's a couple other goodies I'll thow your way.

Hey Mike, let's get this motor popping and snorting!

Generally,...generally I say!, a motor will spin faster
if there is no fuel verses when there is fuel in the combustion
chamber.

This is a good seat-of-the-pants determination if you are
getting fuel to the injectors or if you are not. Reason?:
Atomized fuel in the combustion chamber doesn't compress
causing a greater load on the starter.

In comparison to now and before would you say the starter
turns the motor, slower, faster,or, about the same?

1.)To some, starting is the process of the engine turning over.
2.)To, some, starting is the process of an engine turning over
till it starts running.
3.)To some, starting is the process of an engine running on its
own after being started.

What is your thinking, 1, 2, or, 3? It's Ok on either of these
as long as we both understand the communication.

Can you hear the engine fire at all, or, any pops,combustion
attempts?
Bob

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Mike,
> So you kil the engine by shutting of the 12 VDC at your
> newly installed disconnect switch? Hummmm....another piece
> of meat on the platter.
>
> Let me see,,,,(stroking my chin)
>
> Don't know what the alternator would do in a case where
> the alternator needed the battery reference for to
> operate a regulator. No output control?
>
> This is a diesel motor, right?
> You can bypass circuits with a length of wire.
> Do you have a 12 V test light, or Meter?
>
> You have a start/stop station at the genset?
> Press the stop and at the same time check the voltage
> at either on of the glow plugs.
>
> Got voltage? Good!
> No voltage, gotta do it a different way.
> Starter spin fast? or have you worn it down?
> Need a good battery, motor needs to spin fast.
> Fuel at the injector pump?
> Good!
> Remember, bleed the system of all air. Air compressses
> in the fuel line and the injectors won't open.
> If the starter spins fast,and
> There is voltage at the glow pugs,and
> There is fuel going into the injectors, and
> There is no air in the fuel lines, and
> The engine still won't start
> There is a possibility that one of your injectors
> is stuck open not allowing a pressure build in
> the fuel. It may start and run rough as a cob but
> if it doesn't settle down and run smoothly then one
> or more of the injector lines will need to be bled.
>
> Before getting into doing anything else, lets hear
> from you.
> Bob
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> <mike.meister@> wrote:
> >
> > the only thing that I can think of is that I might have turned
the
> > gen off the last time it was running by using the disconnect
switch
> > (which is to the ground)
> > It sat a week and then would not start.
> >
> > I have three on/off stations dash,kitchen,gen control box but I
> will
> > check to see if one is stuck
> >
> > the ceramic fuse may not have actually blown but I replaced it
> > anyway with a like rated fuse and I just checked it and it is ok
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > While you are checking for fuel there are a couple clues
> > > you gave that may need to be explored.
> > >
> > > It was running, started 10 times, tried won't start.
> > > Did you so ANYTHING to the genset between the time you
> > > stopped the generator till the time you tried again?
> > >
> > > Do you remember what station you depressed the switch
> > > to stop?
> > > Sometimes these rocker switches will stick (mine has) in
> > > the OFF position. Should any station be stuck in the off
> > > position and you are trying another it won't start. Just
> > > to be sure rock them all back and forth stopping on the
> > > center.
> > >
> > > You said in an earlier post the the fuse blew a "couple"
> > > months ago and you replaced it.
> > > Fused circuits are sized for normal load plus momentary
> > > overload protection. If say, you replaced this fuse with
> > > a much larger size the circuit may have given up the ghost,
> > > even if you placed a known good fuse in the holder. Just
> > > the blown fuse alone suggests that SOMETHING??is not quite
> > > right.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > not quite right in that circuit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > the fuel solenoid arm is moving and if I pull it it actually
> > > > chokes/restricts the start effort.
> > > >
> > > > will check fuel now and report back
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss"
<mbulriss@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > Outside the voltage issue Curt mentioned, manually pulling
> the
> > > fuel
> > > > > solenoid arm should have started it - if you are getting
> > fuel.
> > > > Have
> > > > > you checked to see if you are getting fuel pressure at the
> > output
> > > > side
> > > > > of the lift pump? Also check all the fuel line fittings to
> > make
> > > > sure
> > > > > you don't have an air leak. Doesn't take much of a leak on
a
> > > older
> > > > > weaker lift pump to not get fuel to the injector pump.
Spent
> > > hours
> > > > > chasing the problem on my 83 PT40 before I checked the fuel
> > > > pressure
> > > > > and changed out the lift pump.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Bulriss
> > > > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meister"
> > > > > <mike.meister@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom-
> > > > > > It turns over great just won't catch. I pulled the fuel
> > > solenoid
> > > > > > lever as I tried to start but no go. doesn't appear the
> fuel
> > > > > > solenoid/arm is moving when I hit the start button? I
don't
> > see
> > > > a
> > > > > > circuit breaker on the control box but the fuse is good
> > inside
> > > > the
> > > > > > box....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 80fc33
> > > > > > Taylor Mill, Ky
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its not clear what you mean by "it wont start". Does it
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > start
> > > > > > > and then shut off or just never catch on? f the engine
> > turns
> > > > over
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > a normal speed but wont start then hold in the fuel
> > solenoid
> > > > lever
> > > > > > > and see if it starts. If it does then that eliminates
the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > problems. I would next look if the fuel solenoid is
> > pulling
> > > > in.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > its not then check on the front of the control box and
> see
> > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > > circuit breaker is off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tom warner
> > > > > > > Vernon center,NY
> > > > > > > 1985 PT 40
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 10:50 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I am no expert on gensets either. However, I know this
> for
> > > > > > > >certain. If I could place wheels on the crankshaft of
a
> > > diesel
> > > > > > > >engine, could feed it fuel without battery power and
> > could
> > > > push it
> > > > > > > >down a hill to start it, the engine will run until the
> > > > coolant
> > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > >out, the fuel runs out or it blows itself up. That
being
> > > > said,
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > >is an external electrical issue to this problem. I
think
> > we
> > > > need
> > > > > > > >more feedback and think simple.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > > > >Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > > >1990 WB-40
> > > > > > > >Niceville, FL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >- In
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From my experience. I'm no expert.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some gen. sets alternators create component voltage
> > > > (voltage to
> > > > > > > > > components) at start time in order for the gen.
> engine
> > to
> > > > > > start. No
> > > > > > > > > voltage could be the problem you are experiencing.
I
> > > > suggest
> > > > > > taking
> > > > > > > >your
> > > > > > > > > bus to a good generator shop and have the gen. set
> > > tested.
> > > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > voltage regulator is bad.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One day our gen. set would start right up. The next
> > time
> > > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > >turn
> > > > > > > > > over but it would not start. I had to replace the
> > > > alternator
> > > > > > > >because on
> > > > > > > > > initial start it would not create the voltage
> > necessary
> > > > for the
> > > > > > > >unit to
> > > > > > > > > start up. The large windings were bad due to
sitting
> > > (lack
> > > > of
> > > > > > use).
> > > > > > > >Our
> > > > > > > > > gen. set was the Yanmar engine and Kohler
alternator.
> > The
> > > > > > Kohler
> > > > > > > > > alternator was the problem and it was replaced with
a
> > > > Newage
> > > > > > unit.
> > > > > > > >I
> > > > > > > > > hope your problem is not the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good luck.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
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