Engine Swap

[krminyl@...]

It's been said in this forum in the past that the Series 60 is too tall to
fit in the usual space of a 92 Series Detroit. FWIW. Any other comments?

Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38 PT


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[jwasnewski]

Friends:

Knowledge abounds on this site. Some may think I am losing it but here
goes. Can a series 60 Detroit and an Allison world 6 speed trans be
installed in a 1990 WB-40 without major modifications? It would replace
an 8v92 and 5 speed. Sounds like a relatively inexpensive way to retro
a fine motor home. Second, is anyone in the Southeast planning to
attend the IHBA Drag Boat races in Gadsden AL. at the end of this month?
We will be staying at River Country Campround on the Coosa River. It
would be fun to see another Bird or two there. I will have two young
grandkids with me. Thanks.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Nceville, FL.

[Leroy Eckert]

Thanks: Your input is much appreciated.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL






----- Original Message -----
From: krminyl@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Engine Swap


It's been said in this forum in the past that the Series 60 is too tall to
fit in the usual space of a 92 Series Detroit. FWIW. Any other comments?

Kevin Mc
YL CA
86 38 PT

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[ronmarabito2002]

You might find a Cummins that will work. They have a more compact
engine. Real question is, will it have the HP you need and torque?
Seems to me, that about 2 years ago, someone visited this forum and
mentioned that combination.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
wrote:
>
> Friends:
>
> Knowledge abounds on this site. Some may think I am losing it but here
> goes. Can a series 60 Detroit and an Allison world 6 speed trans be
> installed in a 1990 WB-40 without major modifications? It would replace
> an 8v92 and 5 speed. Sounds like a relatively inexpensive way to retro
> a fine motor home. Second, is anyone in the Southeast planning to
> attend the IHBA Drag Boat races in Gadsden AL. at the end of this month?
> We will be staying at River Country Campround on the Coosa River. It
> would be fun to see another Bird or two there. I will have two young
> grandkids with me. Thanks.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Nceville, FL.
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Ron--
Appreciate the information and forum history. My 8v92 is in fabulous shape, ( I
think), it runs dry, doesn't overheat, doesn't sling oil and doesn't drop oil
from the slobber tubes. It uses about a quart of oil each 1000 miles. That
should be OK for an 8v92 with 110,000 miles. Sometimes I wonder if it has oil
in the pan. I don't know, maybe it is getting ready to go boom. I hope not. I
just thought a new high tech engine would be a reasonable upgrade. I think I
better leave the 8v92 alone.

Thanks again,

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL.











----- Original Message -----
From: ronmarabito2002
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine Swap


You might find a Cummins that will work. They have a more compact
engine. Real question is, will it have the HP you need and torque?
Seems to me, that about 2 years ago, someone visited this forum and
mentioned that combination.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
wrote:
>
> Friends:
>
> Knowledge abounds on this site. Some may think I am losing it but here
> goes. Can a series 60 Detroit and an Allison world 6 speed trans be
> installed in a 1990 WB-40 without major modifications? It would replace
> an 8v92 and 5 speed. Sounds like a relatively inexpensive way to retro
> a fine motor home. Second, is anyone in the Southeast planning to
> attend the IHBA Drag Boat races in Gadsden AL. at the end of this month?
> We will be staying at River Country Campround on the Coosa River. It
> would be fun to see another Bird or two there. I will have two young
> grandkids with me. Thanks.
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Nceville, FL.
>





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[Rob Robinson]

Shhhhhhhh Leroy, there are people out there that would kill for an engine
like that. VBG

On 06/07/06, Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
>
> Ron--
> Appreciate the information and forum history. My 8v92 is in fabulous
> shape, ( I think), it runs dry, doesn't overheat, doesn't sling oil and
> doesn't drop oil from the slobber tubes. It uses about a quart of oil each
> 1000 miles. That should be OK for an 8v92 with 110,000 miles. Sometimes I
> wonder if it has oil in the pan. I don't know, maybe it is getting ready to
> go boom. I hope not. I just thought a new high tech engine would be a
> reasonable upgrade. I think I better leave the 8v92 alone.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:22 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine Swap
>
> You might find a Cummins that will work. They have a more compact
> engine. Real question is, will it have the HP you need and torque?
> Seems to me, that about 2 years ago, someone visited this forum and
> mentioned that combination.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "jwasnewski"
> wrote:
> >
> > Friends:
> >
> > Knowledge abounds on this site. Some may think I am losing it but here
> > goes. Can a series 60 Detroit and an Allison world 6 speed trans be
> > installed in a 1990 WB-40 without major modifications? It would replace
> > an 8v92 and 5 speed. Sounds like a relatively inexpensive way to retro
> > a fine motor home. Second, is anyone in the Southeast planning to
> > attend the IHBA Drag Boat races in Gadsden AL. at the end of this month?
> > We will be staying at River Country Campround on the Coosa River. It
> > would be fun to see another Bird or two there. I will have two young
> > grandkids with me. Thanks.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40
> > Nceville, FL.
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ronmarabito2002]

Leroy:

If the engine has been maintained properly and continues so, it
should outlast your ownership. That engine is just now broken in.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
>
> Ron--
> Appreciate the information and forum history. My 8v92 is in
fabulous shape, ( I think), it runs dry, doesn't overheat, doesn't
sling oil and doesn't drop oil from the slobber tubes. It uses about
a quart of oil each 1000 miles. That should be OK for an 8v92 with
110,000 miles. Sometimes I wonder if it has oil in the pan. I don't
know, maybe it is getting ready to go boom. I hope not. I just
thought a new high tech engine would be a reasonable upgrade. I think
I better leave the 8v92 alone.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronmarabito2002
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:22 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Engine Swap
>
>
> You might find a Cummins that will work. They have a more compact
> engine. Real question is, will it have the HP you need and torque?
> Seems to me, that about 2 years ago, someone visited this forum and
> mentioned that combination.
>
> R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
> wrote:
> >
> > Friends:
> >
> > Knowledge abounds on this site. Some may think I am losing it
but here
> > goes. Can a series 60 Detroit and an Allison world 6 speed trans be
> > installed in a 1990 WB-40 without major modifications? It would
replace
> > an 8v92 and 5 speed. Sounds like a relatively inexpensive way to
retro
> > a fine motor home. Second, is anyone in the Southeast planning to
> > attend the IHBA Drag Boat races in Gadsden AL. at the end of
this month?
> > We will be staying at River Country Campround on the Coosa
River. It
> > would be fun to see another Bird or two there. I will have two
young
> > grandkids with me. Thanks.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40
> > Nceville, FL.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[susanmarycamilleri]

I finished ny engine swap today. I replaced the original 3206NA with
a reman 3208 from Reviva ( see http://www.reviva.com). While I had the
engine out I replaced and repaired seberal other things. I installed
a new starter (Elreg distributors ltd $221 for a new starter) a new
Power steering pump (from Hydra steer $518 - Eaton RP1G). Also
replaced the transmission filter and fluid. I sand blasted the
pullies and several engine pieces that I had to swap over. I also did
the swing rad mod. I used #12 hydrolic hoses and fittings in order to
keep the 5-8 ID of the original lines. I read that if you go to 1-2ID
hoses I read that the flow rate goes from 17GPM to 11GPM. The hoses
were expensive $260 and are rated to 3000psi which is way overkill.

The engine change out was not that difficult. After removing the rad,
dog house, etc the engine had to be lifted in order for the exhaust
manifolds to clear the main frame rails, then it was straight out the
front. There is only about 1 eighth on an inch on either side. The
rubber fuel lines from the frame of the bus the the engine were in
bad shape. If you ave a bus the same vintage you might want to check
them. Power steering supply line (low pres) was also in bad shape.

New engine has the 3 ring piston. Initial start was immediate as they
run their engines before they are shipped. Noticiable difference in
the amount of white smoke on a cold start. Also engine is quieter. I
think that my old engine has a bit of piston slap noise and prob some
valve train noise.

I have not had it on the road yet but am looking forward to see if
there is a power difference.

Pete
Prairie Dog
78 Fc 35 foot
Courtenay BC

[Gardner Yeaw]

Pete,
I assume you mean there was less white smoke on a cold start?
I also have a 1978 N/A coach. I am not ready to do an engine swap
but I wondered how you lifted the engine. Did you use a jack from
below? Did you pull out the engine and trans together, or did you
uncouple them while still in the chassis?
And last, but not least, did you photograph the event?

Gardner
78FC33



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "susanmarycamilleri"
wrote:
>
> I finished ny engine swap today. I replaced the original 3206NA
with
> a reman 3208 from Reviva ( see http://www.reviva.com). While I had the
> engine out I replaced and repaired seberal other things. I
installed
> a new starter (Elreg distributors ltd $221 for a new starter) a
new
> Power steering pump (from Hydra steer $518 - Eaton RP1G). Also
> replaced the transmission filter and fluid. I sand blasted the
> pullies and several engine pieces that I had to swap over. I also
did
> the swing rad mod. I used #12 hydrolic hoses and fittings in order
to
> keep the 5-8 ID of the original lines. I read that if you go to 1-
2ID
> hoses I read that the flow rate goes from 17GPM to 11GPM. The
hoses
> were expensive $260 and are rated to 3000psi which is way overkill.
>
> The engine change out was not that difficult. After removing the
rad,
> dog house, etc the engine had to be lifted in order for the
exhaust
> manifolds to clear the main frame rails, then it was straight out
the
> front. There is only about 1 eighth on an inch on either side. The
> rubber fuel lines from the frame of the bus the the engine were in
> bad shape. If you ave a bus the same vintage you might want to
check
> them. Power steering supply line (low pres) was also in bad shape.
>
> New engine has the 3 ring piston. Initial start was immediate as
they
> run their engines before they are shipped. Noticiable difference
in
> the amount of white smoke on a cold start. Also engine is quieter.
I
> think that my old engine has a bit of piston slap noise and prob
some
> valve train noise.
>
> I have not had it on the road yet but am looking forward to see if
> there is a power difference.
>
> Pete
> Prairie Dog
> 78 Fc 35 foot
> Courtenay BC
>

[susanmarycamilleri]

I noticed a couple of mistakes in my original post.I replaced my 3208
not 3206.
Yes almost no white smoke on a cold start (4degrees C). To lift the
engine I used a 2 ton folding engine crane at the front and a 2 ton
floor jack at the back with a T bracked welded to the floor jack and
bolted to the rear underside of the engine. I left the transmission
in the bus resting on a motorcycle jack stand. I separated the engine
anf trans at the flex plate. ie left the torque converter in the
transmission.
I did take some pictures in order to remember how things went back
together.

Pete
Prairie Dog
78 35 FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> Pete,
> I assume you mean there was less white smoke on a cold start?
> I also have a 1978 N/A coach. I am not ready to do an engine swap
> but I wondered how you lifted the engine. Did you use a jack from
> below? Did you pull out the engine and trans together, or did you
> uncouple them while still in the chassis?
> And last, but not least, did you photograph the event?
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "susanmarycamilleri"
> wrote:
> >
> > I finished ny engine swap today. I replaced the original 3206NA
> with
> > a reman 3208 from Reviva ( see http://www.reviva.com). While I had the
> > engine out I replaced and repaired seberal other things. I
> installed
> > a new starter (Elreg distributors ltd $221 for a new starter) a
> new
> > Power steering pump (from Hydra steer $518 - Eaton RP1G). Also
> > replaced the transmission filter and fluid. I sand blasted the
> > pullies and several engine pieces that I had to swap over. I also
> did
> > the swing rad mod. I used #12 hydrolic hoses and fittings in
order
> to
> > keep the 5-8 ID of the original lines. I read that if you go to 1-
> 2ID
> > hoses I read that the flow rate goes from 17GPM to 11GPM. The
> hoses
> > were expensive $260 and are rated to 3000psi which is way
overkill.
> >
> > The engine change out was not that difficult. After removing the
> rad,
> > dog house, etc the engine had to be lifted in order for the
> exhaust
> > manifolds to clear the main frame rails, then it was straight out
> the
> > front. There is only about 1 eighth on an inch on either side.
The
> > rubber fuel lines from the frame of the bus the the engine were
in
> > bad shape. If you ave a bus the same vintage you might want to
> check
> > them. Power steering supply line (low pres) was also in bad shape.
> >
> > New engine has the 3 ring piston. Initial start was immediate as
> they
> > run their engines before they are shipped. Noticiable difference
> in
> > the amount of white smoke on a cold start. Also engine is
quieter.
> I
> > think that my old engine has a bit of piston slap noise and prob
> some
> > valve train noise.
> >
> > I have not had it on the road yet but am looking forward to see
if
> > there is a power difference.
> >
> > Pete
> > Prairie Dog
> > 78 Fc 35 foot
> > Courtenay BC
> >
>