30 AMP OPS

[jwasnewski]

Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I carry
a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me leg two
in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge the
batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get a
50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it into the
normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that the
factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
normal?

Leroy Eckert
1990WB40
Niceville, FL

[Pete Masterson]

I don't think it is .... at home, I only have a 30 amp connection and
my batteries are charging fine. However, my coach does not have a
stock arrangement as it has a Link 2000-R interface that controls the
battery charging from the inverter.

The 30 amp connection will give you only one leg of your power ...
but it should be the leg with the charger!

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 4203
El Sobrante, CA




On Aug 11, 2006, at 3:14 PM, jwasnewski wrote:

> Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I carry
> a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me leg
> two
> in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge the
> batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get a
> 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it into the
> normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that the
> factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
> normal?
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL
>



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[John Suter]

Hi Leroy,

Can't say for sure regarding your coach, but
typically the system is designed so that the 50 amp
power cord will draw power from 2 legs of shore power
and will power the two legs of the coach respectively
- that is, until you plug in the auxiliary 30 amp
plug. When any power is sensed from the 30 amp aux,
one leg of the 50 is lifted/disabled and the newly
sensed 30 is substituted for it. Therefore, if you
only used your aux, as I gather, you only fed one leg
- the other leg was waiting for you to plug a 30 amp
adapter into your 50 amp cord, power it, at which time
you would have both legs. In the future, to avoid the
problem and to receive power on both legs, plug a 30
adapter into your 50, power this 30 and do not use the
aux 30 at all.

The point of having the aux, is to permit use of two
separate campground pedestals of 30 each for total of
60 amps. We we speak of 50, we really mean 50 on each
leg, for total of 100 amps to the coach. Hope this
makes sense.

John Suter
Currently Coachless
(but Prior 00LXi, 91PT40, 86PT40)

--- jwasnewski wrote:

> Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp
> park power. I carry
> a cable for that purpose but have never used it.
> 30amp gave me leg two
> in the coach but did not go through the Trace
> inverter to charge the
> batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I
> may need to get a
> 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp
> cord, plug it into the
> normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't
> make sense that the
> factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the
> batteries. Is this
> normal?
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>


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[Scott]

Hey John, Leroy, I am not sure about your newer coaches but could you
not use the "dog bone" and have the power both legs?

John if I read your post right congratulations man that was quick!

ScottB
86FC35 "RUBY" 4SALE
SC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter
wrote:
>
> Hi Leroy,
>
> Can't say for sure regarding your coach, but
> typically the system is designed so that the 50 amp
> power cord will draw power from 2 legs of shore power
> and will power the two legs of the coach respectively
> - that is, until you plug in the auxiliary 30 amp
> plug. When any power is sensed from the 30 amp aux,
> one leg of the 50 is lifted/disabled and the newly
> sensed 30 is substituted for it. Therefore, if you
> only used your aux, as I gather, you only fed one leg
> - the other leg was waiting for you to plug a 30 amp
> adapter into your 50 amp cord, power it, at which time
> you would have both legs. In the future, to avoid the
> problem and to receive power on both legs, plug a 30
> adapter into your 50, power this 30 and do not use the
> aux 30 at all.
>
> The point of having the aux, is to permit use of two
> separate campground pedestals of 30 each for total of
> 60 amps. We we speak of 50, we really mean 50 on each
> leg, for total of 100 amps to the coach. Hope this
> makes sense.
>
> John Suter
> Currently Coachless
> (but Prior 00LXi, 91PT40, 86PT40)
>
> --- jwasnewski wrote:
>
> > Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp
> > park power. I carry
> > a cable for that purpose but have never used it.
> > 30amp gave me leg two
> > in the coach but did not go through the Trace
> > inverter to charge the
> > batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I
> > may need to get a
> > 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp
> > cord, plug it into the
> > normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't
> > make sense that the
> > factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the
> > batteries. Is this
> > normal?
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990WB40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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[Gregory OConnor]

Leroy, I have the same problem and I think the 30 single pole should
charge the batteries. I wondered what leg the original chargers were
hooked up to. My charges are after-market and the remote location
has a receptacle that shares the leg only supplied by 50 amps. I
plan on adding or moving the C breaker for the charger receptacle to
the 110 leg that get power on both 30 and 50. For now what I do is
plug the chargers into an extension cord that I then plug into a
working receptacle in the bay. If every thing is on the other Leg
you could simply switch legs at the breaker box input.

'Hotwater heaters' and 'chargers' are automatic on and off and it is
hard to regulate your draw on amps. If you have both units cycle on
at the same time, you may risk tripping a breaker (tripping is only
annoying, not a danger). It would be nice to have a Charger switch by
the HWheater switch. When you get back out to Riverside I have 50
amps waiting for you.

Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jwasnewski"
wrote:
>
> Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I
carry
> a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me leg
two
> in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge
the
> batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get
a
> 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it into
the
> normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that
the
> factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
> normal?
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL
>

[Howard O. Truitt]

Leroy,
On my 86 PT40 I have on the outside of coach one 50 amp connector and two 30 amp
connectors one 30 amp connector for leg one and one thirty amp connector for leg
two
Howard Truitt Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40

----- Original Message -----
From: jwasnewski
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:14 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS


Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I carry
a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me leg two
in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge the
batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get a
50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it into the
normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that the
factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
normal?

Leroy Eckert
1990WB40
Niceville, FL






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[John Suter]

Hi Scott,

Many BB's are wiring in the manner I described so a
dog-bone splitter is unnecessary. Could you use one?
Yes, but why go to the expense?

If I understood the questioneer correctly, he was
using the auxilary connection only, not the main (or
so called 50amp) connection, or both (which is the
design).

What is important for folks to understand is, on
later model birds, this "auto-sensing" takes place,
with an inadequate explanation in the owner's manual
as to what actually happens to the second leg. The
gentleman was not charging because the Bird assumes
the "main" source of power will always be the main
connection. I'd be willing to bet, when BB engineered
the sensing, the group didn't consider an owner might
"only" power from the aux, or they would have built-in
a "dual-sensing" ability which would lift the one leg
only when two power sources were present.

And yes, this will be our first time since 1966 we
will be without a coach of some kind, and 20 years of
Birds - hopefully, for only a year. We planned on
home selling in a year or so, not a week. Big
scramble into a rental until we can buy or build
another home. Gosh, the stuff/junk we've accumulated!

John


--- Scott wrote:

> Hey John, Leroy, I am not sure about your newer
> coaches but could you
> not use the "dog bone" and have the power both legs?
>
> John if I read your post right congratulations man
> that was quick!
>
> ScottB
> 86FC35 "RUBY" 4SALE
> SC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Leroy,
> >
> > Can't say for sure regarding your coach, but
> > typically the system is designed so that the 50
> amp
> > power cord will draw power from 2 legs of shore
> power
> > and will power the two legs of the coach
> respectively
> > - that is, until you plug in the auxiliary 30 amp
> > plug. When any power is sensed from the 30 amp
> aux,
> > one leg of the 50 is lifted/disabled and the newly
> > sensed 30 is substituted for it. Therefore, if
> you
> > only used your aux, as I gather, you only fed one
> leg
> > - the other leg was waiting for you to plug a 30
> amp
> > adapter into your 50 amp cord, power it, at which
> time
> > you would have both legs. In the future, to avoid
> the
> > problem and to receive power on both legs, plug a
> 30
> > adapter into your 50, power this 30 and do not use
> the
> > aux 30 at all.
> >
> > The point of having the aux, is to permit use of
> two
> > separate campground pedestals of 30 each for total
> of
> > 60 amps. We we speak of 50, we really mean 50 on
> each
> > leg, for total of 100 amps to the coach. Hope
> this
> > makes sense.
> >
> > John Suter
> > Currently Coachless
> > (but Prior 00LXi, 91PT40, 86PT40)
> >
> > --- jwasnewski wrote:
> >
> > > Recently I stopped overnight and had to use
> 30amp
> > > park power. I carry
> > > a cable for that purpose but have never used it.
>
> > > 30amp gave me leg two
> > > in the coach but did not go through the Trace
> > > inverter to charge the
> > > batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck.
> I
> > > may need to get a
> > > 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp
> > > cord, plug it into the
> > > normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't
> > > make sense that the
> > > factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the
> > > batteries. Is this
> > > normal?
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990WB40
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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[Tom Warner]

All wanderlodges that I have seen have one 50 amp plug and two 30 amp
plugs. The 50 amp plug serves both leg one and leg two (with the main
switch set to shore 50). One 30 amp plug serves the drivers side of
the coach and the other 30 amp plug serves the passenger side (with
the main switch set to shore 30). On the forward controls the drivers
side 30 amp plug serves the chargers and on the PTs the passenger
side plug serves the chargers. To ensure that you can charge using 30
amps just make sure you are plugged into the correct 30 amp plug.

Tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 PT 40


At 06:31 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote:
>Leroy,
>On my 86 PT40 I have on the outside of coach one 50 amp connector
>and two 30 amp connectors one 30 amp connector for leg one and one
>thirty amp connector for leg two
>Howard Truitt Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jwasnewski
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:14 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>
>
> Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I carry
> a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me leg two
> in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge the
> batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get a
> 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it into the
> normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that the
> factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
> normal?
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990WB40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
>
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[erniecarpet@...]

Pete, on my coach, all I use is the 50 amp cords. In fact, Bim Burt and I
built some nice 30 amp extension cords from old Bluebird 30 amp power cords. I
always am very aware of power management when I'm using my 50 amp cord and
plugged into less then 50 amps. My 84 had ALL the good gauges to tell me how
much I
was using. Since we don't have those now, we have had a pretty good learning
curve on power management.

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[Pete Masterson]

I guess my coach (being "newer") has evolved. It only has a 50 amp
connector. Everything else is reached by adaptors on the 50 amp
connector.

At my home, I actually have 220 v 30amps available ... but I had to
use 100' of extension cable to reach the coach and I bought two 50'
30 amp cables (and a matching receptacle) ...not realizing that they
were only 110v until I started to wire it up (and ended up with an
"extra" wire). (Hey, I don't do that much wiring.)

Had I realized, I'd have purchased 50 amp extensions and wired for
220 ... knowing that the outlet had a 30 amp breaker instead of 50.
(If only I could park the coach closer to the house!)

Still, the primary (and only) connection powers the leg with the
charger when 30 amp 110 v is all that's available.

So, my question is: Can the "cheater cable" actually work with a 50
amp connection to get power to both legs? In a couple of parks that
didn't have 50 amps, it seemed that I could connect to 30 and 20 (or
15)? Would that work?

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Bluebird Wanderlodge WBDA 4203
El Sobrante, CA




On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Tom Warner wrote:

> All wanderlodges that I have seen have one 50 amp plug and two 30 amp
> plugs. The 50 amp plug serves both leg one and leg two (with the main
> switch set to shore 50). One 30 amp plug serves the drivers side of
> the coach and the other 30 amp plug serves the passenger side (with
> the main switch set to shore 30). On the forward controls the drivers
> side 30 amp plug serves the chargers and on the PTs the passenger
> side plug serves the chargers. To ensure that you can charge using 30
> amps just make sure you are plugged into the correct 30 amp plug.
>
> Tom warner
> vernon center,ny
> 1985 PT 40
>
>
> At 06:31 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote:
>> Leroy,
>> On my 86 PT40 I have on the outside of coach one 50 amp connector
>> and two 30 amp connectors one 30 amp connector for leg one and one
>> thirty amp connector for leg two
>> Howard Truitt Camilla, Ga. 86 PT40
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jwasnewski
>> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:14 PM
>> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] 30 AMP OPS
>>
>>
>> Recently I stopped overnight and had to use 30amp park power. I
>> carry
>> a cable for that purpose but have never used it. 30amp gave me
>> leg two
>> in the coach but did not go through the Trace inverter to charge
>> the
>> batteries. Looked at my diagrams with no luck. I may need to get a
>> 50amp female recepticle for the end of my 30amp cord, plug it
>> into the
>> normal 50amp line and see what happens. Doesn't make sense that the
>> factory 30amp bus connection does not charge the batteries. Is this
>> normal?
>>
>> Leroy Eckert
>> 1990WB40
>> Niceville, FL
>>
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