86 35 ft BB Question

[davidkerryedwards]

I agree that the Ebay ad does not seem to come from a reputable RV dealer.

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> There is something wrong with this whole story. The phone # on the ebay
> ad is not the same as Sirpilla has on their web site. The sales mgrs.
> name is Karen Sirpilla not the name listed on the ebay site. The ebay
> ad appears to have been written by someone who is not familiar with
> RV's. For instance it states the unit has aluminim (their spelling)
> wheel covers. The English in the ad is very poor. There is no reference
> to Sirpilla RV. Could a used vehicle sales mgr. be running a "parallel"
> business? Does Sirpilla even know anything about this unit and the sale?
>
> Bruce
> 1988 FC35
>

[davidkerryedwards]

s. I still
> think it was a deal for the right person and a 2,000.00 loss is
> minimal for someone who was not able to look past the fact that the
> genny would not run and was not able to prove the reason why. An old
> bus is not for everyone.
>

Having been in the same position, I think the issue is not that it is a 20 yr
old bus nor that
the generator was not working. The issue is that the seller is a liar. He said
the fluids
were topped up and they weren't. The next question that comes to mind is what
else has
the seller lied about. You can't trust the seller any more. There may be many
undisclosed
problems and a thousand miles away from home, are you willing to take the risk?

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

[Scott]

Hey guys, not to be a fly in the mayonaise..or how did that go? But I
had 28 shopping centers in that state at one time (several in Akron)
as well as an ex wife (ooppss) and keep in mind we are talking about
the land of the likes of Jim Trafficant, the Cafaro family and
others. Try as you may but if your name does not end in a vowel you
are going to be pushing a rope. I used an attny there (Akron) James
Slater..not sure if he is still in practice or not..but he was
ruthless. Just what you need.

Unfortunately, for Gail, this is what happens when you deal with
folks that do not have a clue about Wanderlodges, as Kerry said he
found out..Sorry Kerry. You could have some recourse in a specific
time, generally a deposit can be returned within a certain period of
time. Not sure of the time in that state but it is worth looking
into. Worse case scenerio I would call the better business bureau,
the local action news guys or whatever to make this snakes life
miserable. Get at least the satisfaction of your 3 grand.

Best of luck and by the way I have a NICE 86FC35RB for sale! :>) NOT
For 20G's though!

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY" 4 SALE
Murrells Inlet SC "right next to heaven"


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969
wrote:
>
> Hello:
> Thank you all for your comments regarding the 86
> bird. Keep them coming.
> Gail Remy
>
>
>
> --- mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> > As I understood the thread, Gail negotiated with the
> > salesman and
> > agreed to buy the Bird outside the eBay system, so
> > whatever on the
> > eBay listing is moot. I believe he stated that he
> > bought it *based
> > upon representations* by the salesman as to the
> > items that were being
> > repaired and readied for his arrival. Seems like
> > it's worth a state
> > attorney general call about a breached sale contract
> > to get the
> > deposit back.
> >
> > Where's Wallace Craig when we need him? LOL
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan
> > Wright"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gail,
> > >
> > > I had a nice reply written out about exactly how
> > you could go about
> > > suing them in small claims court. Unfortunately,
> > after looking at the
> > > eBay auction, I doubt you would win. In fact I'd
> > be surprised at all
> > > if there were any way for you to get your money
> > back.
> > >
> > > The auction's terms - and they would apply even
> > though you made an
> > > off-eBay deal, as this is the only written proof
> > you have of anything
> > > - are very much in favor of the seller. Re-read
> > the "terms of sale"
> > > and check the fine print near the bottom of the
> > page where he says "a
> > > non-refundable 10% deposit". They've got you on
> > this one. (If it were
> > > my dealership, I would have given you all of your
> > money back less the
> > > $50 fee to relist it on eBay, but that's just me.)
> > >
> > > It's doubtful they will actually sue you - they
> > really don't have a
> > > case at all.
> > >
> > > One thing: Did you pay your 10% deposit via credit
> > card? If so, you
> > > can get that back easily. Just call your bank and
> > explain the
> > > situation, how they lied, how it was completely
> > misrepresented and how
> > > they refused to make it right. I can all but
> > guarantee your bank will
> > > issue a charge back and the money will be returned
> > to you. Any time I
> > > have the option of paying via credit card I take
> > it, as a good bank
> > > will always protect it's customer.
> > >
> > > Here's the real question: Who is going to call
> > that dealership up and
> > > negotiate a $12-15k deal on this coach now? Given
> > this situation, I'll
> > > bet you could pick it up for a song and a dance.
> > If it weren't for the
> > > center bath/twin bed, I'd probably hop on a plane
> > tomorrow.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Scott]

Hey Greg, great idea. I just emailed them a "wanderful note" as well.
I am sure not as eloquent as yours. But you know what it only took
about 3 mins to do..HEY GUYS..email em...clog their in box
with "nice" notes and ask to get Gale's money back. Now there is a
thought..what would they think. I assured them most trade pubs would
know, as well as the better business folks and certainly all of the
forum members. GO AHEAD IT ONLY TAKES A MINUTE. Lets show them the
power of this forum, for Gale's sake. Who knows?

ScottB
86FC35 4SALE
SC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> What's a good guy from Niceville Fl gonna do. He needs an attorney
> from Intercourse PA. Dealers are dealers their stereotype
reputation
> precedes them as does the reliability of a 20 year old bus. I
still
> think it was a deal for the right person and a 2,000.00 loss is
> minimal for someone who was not able to look past the fact that the
> genny would not run and was not able to prove the reason why. An
old
> bus is not for everyone.
>
> I hope the dealer finds the right buyer and can return the deposit
to
> the wrong buyer. This is my appeal to them in a letter sent
today.
> I learned long ago to write long deposit contracts with contingent
> what ifs. I tend to be too much of an ass and I start believing
that
> I should always win. I forget that 'more then fair' means it is
less
> than fair for the other party. The contract spells out both
parties
> understanding and intention the time of the deal making. I shake
> hands while passing the pen.
>
> The thing in all of this that is so cool to me is how everyone
> rallied to help a forum member. What a nice group of friends
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
> WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > Certainly sounds like the desire for more than one needs or
> deserves= Greed. If I can help please so state.
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB 40
> > Niceville, Fl
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: birdshill123
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:30 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question
> >
> >
> > Found this on a web site. Note the references to customer
> service???
> >
> > Sirpilla RV Center, Inc.
> > View Sirpilla RV Center, Inc. Jobs
> > Return to Company List
> > Our Mission
> > A deep understanding of each customer's needs is our primary
> mission.
> > Meet those needs with great products at competitive prices, and
> the
> > sales will take care of themselves. That's the key to Sirpilla
> RV's
> > four decades of unequalled success.
> > Our Associates
> > This is a relationship business. Our survival depends on our
> > associates' relationships with customers. That's why we commit
> > substantial resources to continuously improving ourselves, our
> > services and our products.
> > Customers
> > Our customers are everything. We know that if we continue to
> serve
> > them with creativity, compassion and competence, our
competition
> may
> > catch on, but they will never catch up.
> > History
> > It all began back in 1959. Two brothers, John B. and Art
> Sirpilla,
> > decided to open an RV dealership as an offshoot of a corner gas
> > station. Back then RVs weren't as popular as they are today,
but
> the
> > Sirpilla brothers were confident that would change. Today
they've
> > grown to become one of the country's leading RV dealerships
with
> over
> > 50 employees, a facility of 25,000 feet holding an inventory of
> more
> > than $6 million in vehicles. John B. Sirpilla's son, John A.
> > Sirpilla, is now in charge, but the vision remains the same:
> create
> > loyal customers by concentrating on each of their needs and
> goals.
> > Employment
> > - Opportunity. It's one of those things that doesn't come along
> very
> > often, but when it does, you better grab on tight and not let
go.
> >
> >
> > Address: 1005 Interstate Parkway . Akron, OH - United States
> > Phone: 866-621-5888
> > Fax: 330-645-3560
> > Email: ksnyder@
> > Homepage: http://www.sirpillarv.com
> > Contact: Karen Snyder
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[krminyl@...]

My sentiments exactly. I too emailed Sirpilla, and invited them to join the
Forum, to respond to the accusations. I've learned the hard way that there
are always two sides to each story, and I try to hold judgement until AFTER
both sides have offered their versions of "what happened".

Maybe one of us Forum members will hear from Sirpilla, either personally or
ideally here on the Forum. I'm going to wait to hear from the "other side".

Kevin McKeown
Yorba Linda, CA
1986 38' PT


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[birdshill123]

Scott and others: Before this thread gets posted elsewhere maybe we
should wait to hear from the other party. After all we have only heard
one side of the story. If you go back and read the posts from a NEW
member a lot of this does not make sense. I emailed the sales manager
and offered to post her response. I am finding it hard to believe that
a long time dealer with a good reputation has acted like a used car
lot.We also have to keep in mind that the buyer did not use any common
sense. He bought the unit outside of Ebay, offered way more than the
reserve and sent a deposit with no inspection and no paperwork. The
dealer had a mickey mouse ad on E bay with lots of errors, did not
respond to any questions, had an ad full of disclaimers, did not use
the dealership name and treated the customer with disrespect. ???????

Bruce
1988 FC35

[Mike Hohnstein]

AHH, a voice of reason is heard.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: birdshill123
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 35 ft BB Question


Scott and others: Before this thread gets posted elsewhere maybe we
should wait to hear from the other party. After all we have only heard
one side of the story. If you go back and read the posts from a NEW
member a lot of this does not make sense. I emailed the sales manager
and offered to post her response. I am finding it hard to believe that
a long time dealer with a good reputation has acted like a used car
lot.We also have to keep in mind that the buyer did not use any common
sense. He bought the unit outside of Ebay, offered way more than the
reserve and sent a deposit with no inspection and no paperwork. The
dealer had a mickey mouse ad on E bay with lots of errors, did not
respond to any questions, had an ad full of disclaimers, did not use
the dealership name and treated the customer with disrespect. ???????

Bruce
1988 FC35





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Scott]

Actually, Bruce good point, I remember a member (chuck harrison??)
offering to go by and look before the trip was made, or meet him
there to go over things. I would have jumped at the offer myself,
especially wading into unknown territory.

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY" 4 sale
Murrells Inlet SC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Scott and others: Before this thread gets posted elsewhere maybe we
> should wait to hear from the other party. After all we have only
heard
> one side of the story. If you go back and read the posts from a NEW
> member a lot of this does not make sense. I emailed the sales
manager
> and offered to post her response. I am finding it hard to believe
that
> a long time dealer with a good reputation has acted like a used car
> lot.We also have to keep in mind that the buyer did not use any
common
> sense. He bought the unit outside of Ebay, offered way more than
the
> reserve and sent a deposit with no inspection and no paperwork. The
> dealer had a mickey mouse ad on E bay with lots of errors, did not
> respond to any questions, had an ad full of disclaimers, did not
use
> the dealership name and treated the customer with
disrespect. ???????
>
> Bruce
> 1988 FC35
>

[boatman1197]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GLOBE1969 wrote:
>Gail,

Please email me off site at Boatman1197@...
I may be able to help.

Tom Wunder
BB FC wannabee

> Hello:
> Thank you all for your comments regarding the 86
> bird. Keep them coming.
> Gail Remy
>
>
>
> --- mbulriss <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> > As I understood the thread, Gail negotiated with the
> > salesman and
> > agreed to buy the Bird outside the eBay system, so
> > whatever on the
> > eBay listing is moot. I believe he stated that he
> > bought it *based
> > upon representations* by the salesman as to the
> > items that were being
> > repaired and readied for his arrival. Seems like
> > it's worth a state
> > attorney general call about a breached sale contract
> > to get the
> > deposit back.
> >
> > Where's Wallace Craig when we need him? LOL
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan
> > Wright"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gail,
> > >
> > > I had a nice reply written out about exactly how
> > you could go about
> > > suing them in small claims court. Unfortunately,
> > after looking at the
> > > eBay auction, I doubt you would win. In fact I'd
> > be surprised at all
> > > if there were any way for you to get your money
> > back.
> > >
> > > The auction's terms - and they would apply even
> > though you made an
> > > off-eBay deal, as this is the only written proof
> > you have of anything
> > > - are very much in favor of the seller. Re-read
> > the "terms of sale"
> > > and check the fine print near the bottom of the
> > page where he says "a
> > > non-refundable 10% deposit". They've got you on
> > this one. (If it were
> > > my dealership, I would have given you all of your
> > money back less the
> > > $50 fee to relist it on eBay, but that's just me.)
> > >
> > > It's doubtful they will actually sue you - they
> > really don't have a
> > > case at all.
> > >
> > > One thing: Did you pay your 10% deposit via credit
> > card? If so, you
> > > can get that back easily. Just call your bank and
> > explain the
> > > situation, how they lied, how it was completely
> > misrepresented and how
> > > they refused to make it right. I can all but
> > guarantee your bank will
> > > issue a charge back and the money will be returned
> > to you. Any time I
> > > have the option of paying via credit card I take
> > it, as a good bank
> > > will always protect it's customer.
> > >
> > > Here's the real question: Who is going to call
> > that dealership up and
> > > negotiate a $12-15k deal on this coach now? Given
> > this situation, I'll
> > > bet you could pick it up for a song and a dance.
> > If it weren't for the
> > > center bath/twin bed, I'd probably hop on a plane
> > tomorrow.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[GLOBE1969]

Hello:
I did take Chuck Harrisons offer, he was there with
me and he went the day before also. I talked to him
yesterday and he said it was a good thing I did NOT
buy it.
Gail Allen Remy

--- Scott wrote:

> Actually, Bruce good point, I remember a member
> (chuck harrison??)
> offering to go by and look before the trip was made,
> or meet him
> there to go over things. I would have jumped at the
> offer myself,
> especially wading into unknown territory.
>
> Scott B
> 86FC35 "RUBY" 4 sale
> Murrells Inlet SC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
> "birdshill123"
> wrote:
> >
> > Scott and others: Before this thread gets posted
> elsewhere maybe we
> > should wait to hear from the other party. After
> all we have only
> heard
> > one side of the story. If you go back and read the
> posts from a NEW
> > member a lot of this does not make sense. I
> emailed the sales
> manager
> > and offered to post her response. I am finding it
> hard to believe
> that
> > a long time dealer with a good reputation has
> acted like a used car
> > lot.We also have to keep in mind that the buyer
> did not use any
> common
> > sense. He bought the unit outside of Ebay, offered
> way more than
> the
> > reserve and sent a deposit with no inspection and
> no paperwork. The
> > dealer had a mickey mouse ad on E bay with lots of
> errors, did not
> > respond to any questions, had an ad full of
> disclaimers, did not
> use
> > the dealership name and treated the customer with
> disrespect. ???????
> >
> > Bruce
> > 1988 FC35
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>