Another vacuum generator question

[davidkerryedwards]

My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator questions but
I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s". The "V'
is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise control.
(I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it was
'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to it but
I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to waht "S"
means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line terminates?

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

[Stephen H]

Kerry,



I can look at mine- however, it won't be for a few more weeks.

I plan on many 'outside' projects on the bird' here in a few weeks when it
gets closer to fall- its too hot to be out working on the outside stuff this
time of year!!! I have switched all of my projects to 'indoor'.

Stephen H

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, FL



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My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator questions but
I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s". The "V'
is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise control.
(I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it was
'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to it but
I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to waht "S"
means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line terminates?

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

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[Curt Sprenger]

Kerry,

I think I found it... Check this out
http://www.gtc-products.com/?id=vacuumGen

"S" - If it is a vacuum port as you say it is, could that be for a
vacuum gauge or a vacuum pressure "S"ensor as indicated in the above
link. I'd guess you do not need that second vacuum port unless there is
something more on your coach that operates using vacuum.

That's my guess.

If the vacuum generator you found is inexpensive, it can't hurt to try
one. But first I'd us a hand held (manual) vacuum tester. Hook it up to
the cruise control bellows. Pump the vacuum tester until the bellows
sucks in. Read the pressure and compare that to the vacuum generator you
found on the net.

Good luck.

Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.



davidkerryedwards wrote:

> My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator questions but
> I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
> generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
> supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s". The "V'
> is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise control.
> (I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it was
> 'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to it but
> I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to waht "S"
> means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line terminates?
>
> Kerry
> 82 FC 35
> Denver
>
> __
>
>
>

[davidkerryedwards]

Curt:
Thanks. That does look like the right kind of thing although it says
it is powered by nitrogen and not air. The one I found at Anders
was $9.95 and I'm trying to get it thru a local distributor. They
have two versions, one with more pull. I'm still working to figure
out what the additional line is. I forgot to ask Bennie when I had
him on the phone.

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> I think I found it... Check this out
> http://www.gtc-products.com/?id=vacuumGen
>
> "S" - If it is a vacuum port as you say it is, could that be for a
> vacuum gauge or a vacuum pressure "S"ensor as indicated in the
above
> link. I'd guess you do not need that second vacuum port unless
there is
> something more on your coach that operates using vacuum.
>
> That's my guess.
>
> If the vacuum generator you found is inexpensive, it can't hurt to
try
> one. But first I'd us a hand held (manual) vacuum tester. Hook it
up to
> the cruise control bellows. Pump the vacuum tester until the
bellows
> sucks in. Read the pressure and compare that to the vacuum
generator you
> found on the net.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> davidkerryedwards wrote:
>
> > My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator
questions but
> > I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
> > generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
> > supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s".
The "V'
> > is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise
control.
> > (I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it
was
> > 'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to
it but
> > I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to
waht "S"
> > means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line
terminates?
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 FC 35
> > Denver
> >
> > __
> >
> >
> >
>

[Mike Hohnstein]

You might try Googling 12 Volt Vacuum Pump. There are options avalilable.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: davidkerryedwards
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Another vacuum generator question


My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator questions but
I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s". The "V'
is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise control.
(I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it was
'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to it but
I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to waht "S"
means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line terminates?

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver





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[Alex Smith]

Kerry, If you find a suitable pump, I would appreciate knowing your source as I
am having a similar problem. Thanks.
Alex Smith
82FC35
Tallahassee

davidkerryedwards wrote:
Curt:
Thanks. That does look like the right kind of thing although it says
it is powered by nitrogen and not air. The one I found at Anders
was $9.95 and I'm trying to get it thru a local distributor. They
have two versions, one with more pull. I'm still working to figure
out what the additional line is. I forgot to ask Bennie when I had
him on the phone.

Kerry

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> I think I found it... Check this out
> http://www.gtc-products.com/?id=vacuumGen
>
> "
> Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> davidkerryedwards wrote:
>
> > My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator
questions but
> > I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
> > generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the threaded
> > supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s".
The "V'
> > is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise
control.
> > (I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where it
was
> > 'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached to
it but
> > I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to
waht "S"
> > means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line
terminates?
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 FC 35
> > Denver
> >
> > __
> >
> >
> >
>






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[davidkerryedwards]

I ordered both sizes of this version:
http://www.anver.com/document/vacuum%20c...ts/vacuum%
20generators/pumps-jv.h\
tm

I called Anver and they gave me the name of their local supplier who
should have them for me in a couple of weeks. I;ll let you know if
they work. For $9.95 it's worth a shot. I don't know if they shut
off once an adequate vacuum is produced. If they don't I may
install a valve in the line to turn it on and off when needed.

Kerry
82 FC 35 Trying to suck.
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Alex Smith
wrote:
>
> Kerry, If you find a suitable pump, I would appreciate knowing
your source as I am having a similar problem. Thanks.
> Alex Smith
> 82FC35
> Tallahassee
>
> davidkerryedwards
wrote: Curt:
> Thanks. That does look like the right kind of thing although it
says
> it is powered by nitrogen and not air. The one I found at Anders
> was $9.95 and I'm trying to get it thru a local distributor. They
> have two versions, one with more pull. I'm still working to
figure
> out what the additional line is. I forgot to ask Bennie when I
had
> him on the phone.
>
> Kerry
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
> wrote:
> >
> > Kerry,
> >
> > I think I found it... Check this out
> > http://www.gtc-products.com/?id=vacuumGen
> >
> > "
> > Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92, Anaheim Hills, Calif.
> >
> >
> >
> > davidkerryedwards wrote:
> >
> > > My apologies for plaguing the list with vacuum generator
> questions but
> > > I'm trying to figure out if I can retrofit a different vacuum
> > > generator. The original had 3 ports in addition to the
threaded
> > > supply port. The are labeled with letters "E" "V" and "s".
> The "V'
> > > is the main vacuum line to the vacuum canister on the cruise
> control.
> > > (I believe). The "e" is exhaust I think because this is where
it
> was
> > > 'leaking' or exhausting. The 's' had a vacuum hose attached
to
> it but
> > > I don't know where it goes. Can anyone give a guess as to
> waht "S"
> > > means or can you tell me where the additional vaccum line
> terminates?
> > >
> > > Kerry
> > > 82 FC 35
> > > Denver
> > >
> > > __
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[bluebird3208]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
>The generator is a venturi unit as you know. It has a valve in it
controlled by a diaphram. Air passes by the venturi and is vented. The
vented air includes the air it pulls with it to create a vaccum. when
enough vacum has been generated, the sensing line "s" pulls the
diaphram and closes the valve. If you connect the vacum line to the
sensing line no air should be comming out of the vent. If it does the
diaphram has a hole in it. The vaccum line and the sensing line should
be routed to a vaccum canister to hold enough vaccum to operate the
billows of the cruise control. Once the canister gets enough vaccum in
it the sensing line closes the the valve. I had my fill of the entire
unit and replaced the curise control with an electric unit. It works
very well is on fourth the size and is remoted outside of the engine
compartment.

Hope this helps,

Jim

Yorba Linda, CA
82 35 FC

[davidkerryedwards]

Jim:
Thanks, that explains it. I'm pretty sure mine had a leak in the
diaphragm. If it didn't before I disassembled it, it definitely does
now! I'm not sure the vacuum generators I have sourced have that
self-control shut off feature. Did you use the Rostra Global Cruise
as a replacement? How is the servo operated on that unit and how long
did it take to install it?

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver-

-- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebird3208" wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> >The generator is a venturi unit as you know. It has a valve in it
> controlled by a diaphram. Air passes by the venturi and is vented. The
> vented air includes the air it pulls with it to create a vaccum. when
> enough vacum has been generated, the sensing line "s" pulls the
> diaphram and closes the valve. If you connect the vacum line to the
> sensing line no air should be comming out of the vent. If it does the
> diaphram has a hole in it. The vaccum line and the sensing line should
> be routed to a vaccum canister to hold enough vaccum to operate the
> billows of the cruise control. Once the canister gets enough vaccum in
> it the sensing line closes the the valve. I had my fill of the entire
> unit and replaced the curise control with an electric unit. It works
> very well is on fourth the size and is remoted outside of the engine
> compartment.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim
>
> Yorba Linda, CA
> 82 35 FC
>

[davidkerryedwards]

A little off topic, but. . . I just ran across this patent for a
new(?) device which claims to do precisely what you describe our
vacuum generators accomplish. Did someone fail to patent the original?

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:egDT...nsati\
ng-venturi-vacuum-system-dt20060209ptan20060027235.php+self-regulating+venturi+v\
acuum+pump&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebird3208" wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> >The generator is a venturi unit as you know. It has a valve in it
> controlled by a diaphram. Air passes by the venturi and is vented. The
> vented air includes the air it pulls with it to create a vaccum. when
> enough vacum has been generated, the sensing line "s" pulls the
> diaphram and closes the valve. If you connect the vacum line to the
> sensing line no air should be comming out of the vent. If it does the
> diaphram has a hole in it. The vaccum line and the sensing line should
> be routed to a vaccum canister to hold enough vaccum to operate the
> billows of the cruise control. Once the canister gets enough vaccum in
> it the sensing line closes the the valve. I had my fill of the entire
> unit and replaced the curise control with an electric unit. It works
> very well is on fourth the size and is remoted outside of the engine
> compartment.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim
>
> Yorba Linda, CA
> 82 35 FC
>