nasties in the fuel tank

[Stephen Birtles]

Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
cleaning it.
New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
farther ahead to add racor 500fg

Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction side
of rear push pump
Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor tech
support on october 3
Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but not
water in fuel
but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
service filter.
Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2 lines
to level of fuel filler

Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
first time never was behind tank inside frame

If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw maybe
just 2 55 gallon garden lights

Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats


Stephen 77fc35

[Mike Hohnstein]

That's what I want to do, drive to FL after a late nite fuel system thrash. Get
your pump inlet sight glass ready.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Birtles
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:32 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] nasties in the fuel tank


Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
cleaning it.
New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
farther ahead to add racor 500fg

Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction side
of rear push pump
Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor tech
support on october 3
Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but not
water in fuel
but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
service filter.
Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2 lines
to level of fuel filler

Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
first time never was behind tank inside frame

If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw maybe
just 2 55 gallon garden lights

Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats

Stephen 77fc35





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[davidkerryedwards]

I believe marinas typically 'polish' bad fuel. Get a couple of filters and a
pump, put in
some algaecide and pump the fuel thru the filters, then putit back in your
tank??

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles" wrote:
>
> Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
> cleaning it.
> New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
> tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
> farther ahead to add racor 500fg
>
> Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
> all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction side
> of rear push pump
> Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
> after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
> harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor tech
> support on october 3
> Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but not
> water in fuel
> but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
> service filter.
> Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
> fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2 lines
> to level of fuel filler
>
> Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
> first time never was behind tank inside frame
>
> If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
> we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw maybe
> just 2 55 gallon garden lights
>
> Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats
>
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>

[The Squires]

Stephen,

You can clean up the fuel. 1st heat it up to drive out any water.
Depending on the temp that you can easily use, it will take a few hours to
several days. As a homebrew biodiesel novice, you can actually let the sun
do the heating for a week or two with a vent to let the water vapors out.
While good and hot, filter the through some coffee filters at a slow flow
rate. You will want to watch if the coffee filters load up and re-place
with new ones. You can get a large stack of cheap coffee filters at Wally
World. After free of water and filtered, add maybe 10-20% with every
fill-up. Should burn fine with no harm to anything.

Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Birtles
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:33 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] nasties in the fuel tank


Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
cleaning it.
New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
farther ahead to add racor 500fg

Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction side
of rear push pump
Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor tech
support on october 3
Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but not
water in fuel
but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
service filter.
Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2 lines
to level of fuel filler

Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
first time never was behind tank inside frame

If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw maybe
just 2 55 gallon garden lights

Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats

Stephen 77fc35






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[Stephen Birtles]

when we fist started we used about fifteen filters and only ran about
a gallon of fuel. A Better bet would be some sock filters
There aren't enough coffee filters made to get the crud that was in
the tank along with the associated goo and whatever else there was.
There are filings and bits and pieces of what ever from when the tank
was built and 30 years of use
I think I will err on the side of ouch at the pump and put in clean
stuff but will be more vigilant when treating the fuel
We have some equipment around that will burn this crud. Tractor and
excavator so it won't go to waste at least not all of it The tractor
is 1958 international and I think it will burn mud it uses everything
else we put in the tank.
Although I could take it to a friends depot and run it through the
really big filters
Stephen 77fc35


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "The Squires"
wrote:
>
> Stephen,
>
> You can clean up the fuel. 1st heat it up to drive out any water.
> Depending on the temp that you can easily use, it will take a few
hours to
> several days. As a homebrew biodiesel novice, you can actually let
the sun
> do the heating for a week or two with a vent to let the water vapors
out.
> While good and hot, filter the through some coffee filters at a slow
flow
> rate. You will want to watch if the coffee filters load up and re-place
> with new ones. You can get a large stack of cheap coffee filters at
Wally
> World. After free of water and filtered, add maybe 10-20% with every
> fill-up. Should burn fine with no harm to anything.
>
> Jimmy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Birtles
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:33 PM
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] nasties in the fuel tank
>
>
> Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
> cleaning it.
> New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
> tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
> farther ahead to add racor 500fg
>
> Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
> all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction side
> of rear push pump
> Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
> after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
> harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor tech
> support on october 3
> Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but not
> water in fuel
> but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
> service filter.
> Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
> fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2 lines
> to level of fuel filler
>
> Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
> first time never was behind tank inside frame
>
> If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
> we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw maybe
> just 2 55 gallon garden lights
>
> Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Jeff Miller]

I forgot to mention Stephen:

When I did this to my '77 tank, I found some thin areas where the
tank sat on the support frame. I painted the tank perimeter with weld-
through primer and welded (continuous) 2x2x1/4 angle iron around the
perimeter of the bottom of the tank and painted/coated it to protect
it from moisture and vibration creating leaks once mounted.

As far as emulsifying the water into the fuel with the pump, does
make sense. The diaphragm pump on the FCs probably don't emulsify
like a vane-type pump would however, and the advantage of having the
pump to re-fill the racor after a filter change is worth it IMO. I'm
not sure how long the water could stay in suspension anyway, a long
fuel line to the racor in the pre-'87 FCs.

Good luck with your new clean tank, take any photos?

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
wrote:
>
> Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
> cleaning it.
> New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
> tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
> farther ahead to add racor 500fg
>
> Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
> all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction
side
> of rear push pump
> Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
> after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
> harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor
tech
> support on october 3
> Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but
not
> water in fuel
> but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
> service filter.
> Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
> fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2
lines
> to level of fuel filler
>
> Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
> first time never was behind tank inside frame
>
> If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
> we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw
maybe
> just 2 55 gallon garden lights
>
> Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats
>
>
> Stephen 77fc35
>

[Stephen Birtles]

sorry no pictures working in the rain right now
did you modify the support frame to add the angle?
my tank fits snug inside the support would take some pounding to get
it out
Stephen 77fc35 its a tankless job
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Miller"
wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention Stephen:
>
> When I did this to my '77 tank, I found some thin areas where the
> tank sat on the support frame. I painted the tank perimeter with weld-
> through primer and welded (continuous) 2x2x1/4 angle iron around the
> perimeter of the bottom of the tank and painted/coated it to protect
> it from moisture and vibration creating leaks once mounted.
>
> As far as emulsifying the water into the fuel with the pump, does
> make sense. The diaphragm pump on the FCs probably don't emulsify
> like a vane-type pump would however, and the advantage of having the
> pump to re-fill the racor after a filter change is worth it IMO. I'm
> not sure how long the water could stay in suspension anyway, a long
> fuel line to the racor in the pre-'87 FCs.
>
> Good luck with your new clean tank, take any photos?
>
> - Jeff Miller
> in Holland, MI
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
> wrote:
> >
> > Well yesterday finally got around to dropping the fuel tank and
> > cleaning it.
> > New fuel sender really expensive parker-hannifin fittings and flex
> > tank to edge of tank added new fuel pump and will break fuel line
> > farther ahead to add racor 500fg
> >
> > Funny thing after all these years nobody noticed that the racors are
> > all installed incorrectly according to racor should be on suction
> side
> > of rear push pump
> > Reason upstream if water in fuel filter will catch it. Downstream
> > after pump action of pump will emulsify water into fuel making it
> > harder for filter to seperate it out That is straight from racor
> tech
> > support on october 3
> > Seems that everyone bluebird included was worried about lumps but
> not
> > water in fuel
> > but down side of installing in rear of coach makes it a #$%^% to
> > service filter.
> > Also adding 2 vents ala Jeff Miller to try and stop the burps when
> > fueling. using extra taps in tank and installing 2 seperate 1/2
> lines
> > to level of fuel filler
> >
> > Cleaning and re-undercoating frame and tanks oops undercoating for
> > first time never was behind tank inside frame
> >
> > If anyone is interested in 110 Gallons of dirty fuel let me know
> > we were going to make 2 molotov cocktails but too heavy to throw
> maybe
> > just 2 55 gallon garden lights
> >
> > Trying to get this mess and all the other projects together for rats
> >
> >
> > Stephen 77fc35
> >
>