Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???

[doug_ngl]

Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB

[Rob Robinson]

When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing in ATF with each
fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel should
do it.

On 26/10/06, doug_ngl wrote:
>
> Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
>
>
>



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Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[Mike Hohnstein]

2 qts. ATF per 100 gallons of fuel. Marvel mystery oil, Hydrotex essential lube
and additives for cold weather @ the truck stops are available. If that don't
work, drive a gasser until it warms up. I guess there is a price to pay for all
that clean air that is sure to come. Yep. Fer sure.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: doug_ngl
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???


Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB





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[Doug Engel]

Rob, Thanks for the input. The ATF will help with lubricity, but I don't know
that it alone will compensate for the new diesel formula. If that's your plan,
put it in now, becasue you're already running ULSD, it was a federally mandated
change that took effect August 1st.
Doug

Rob Robinson wrote:
When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing in ATF with
each
fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel should
do it.

On 26/10/06, doug_ngl wrote:
>
> Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
>
>
>

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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[Tom Warner]

Rob good idea of putting the ATF in your diesel fuel. But be sure to
set aside some money for maintenance right after. You might want to
go to the Chevron or other fuel producers site and read what you can
and cant do. ATF just plays havoc with some seals.

PS: To save everyone some stress you might want to check the diesel
stops and find out that they still all sell regular diesel
fuel. http://www.flyingj.com/highway/locations/us-map.html
For instance in Georgia: only one station today has ULSD but they
all have low sulphur diesel which you have been burning for a long
time. In Florida as of today no Flying J stations have ULSD but all
of them have low sulphur. Everyone does not expect a government
mandate to go perfectly do you.Low sulphur diesel will be
available for quite some time for older diesels.


tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 Bluebird PT 40

At 10:26 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>Rob, Thanks for the input. The ATF will help with lubricity, but I
>don't know that it alone will compensate for the new diesel formula.
>If that's your plan, put it in now, becasue you're already running
>ULSD, it was a federally mandated change that took effect August 1st.
> Doug
>
>Rob Robinson wrote:
> When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing
> in ATF with each
>fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel should
>do it.
>
>On 26/10/06, doug_ngl wrote:
> >
> > Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> > you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> > Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> > station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> > various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> > sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> > the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> > CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> > Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> > to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> > apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> > So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> > of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> > have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> > Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> > Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
>94 WLWB

[Rob Robinson]

I hear ya Doug. I always fill up at Flying J and when I checked their site
last there was only about three dozen stations that had ULSD. That will all
change pretty quick I think so I'm going to stock up on some ATF this week.

On 26/10/06, Doug Engel wrote:
>
> Rob, Thanks for the input. The ATF will help with lubricity, but I don't
> know that it alone will compensate for the new diesel formula. If that's
> your plan, put it in now, becasue you're already running ULSD, it was a
> federally mandated change that took effect August 1st.
> Doug
>
> Rob Robinson > wrote:
> When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing in ATF with each
> fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel
> should
> do it.
>
> On 26/10/06, doug_ngl > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> > you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> > Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> > station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> > various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> > sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> > the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> > CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> > Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> > to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> > apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> > So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> > of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> > have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> > Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> > Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
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>
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Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[Leroy Eckert]

Hey Rob: I think I have missed some posts on S15. Is the change related only
to Cat Engines. Yesterday, reading FMCA tech talk indications were that
pre-2007 engines were not supposed to be effected by the change. Also,
according to Chevrons official web site pre-2007 engines should not be effected.
I'd like to know a little more or where to go to find out. Thanks,

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
8v92





----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Robinson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Super Low Sulphur Diesel and Cat engines???


I hear ya Doug. I always fill up at Flying J and when I checked their site
last there was only about three dozen stations that had ULSD. That will all
change pretty quick I think so I'm going to stock up on some ATF this week.

On 26/10/06, Doug Engel wrote:
>
> Rob, Thanks for the input. The ATF will help with lubricity, but I don't
> know that it alone will compensate for the new diesel formula. If that's
> your plan, put it in now, becasue you're already running ULSD, it was a
> federally mandated change that took effect August 1st.
> Doug
>
> Rob Robinson > wrote:
> When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing in ATF with each
> fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel
> should
> do it.
>
> On 26/10/06, doug_ngl > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> > you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> > Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> > station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> > various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> > sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> > the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> > CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> > Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> > to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> > apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> > So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> > of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> > have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> > Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> > Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
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>
>
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Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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[erniecarpet@...]

I have heard of folks getting stopped and the highway patrol checking their
fuel for red dye. Of course, in ALL my travels- have never witnessed that. But-
would the ATF have the same dye effect as off road diesel? Just curious.

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[erniecarpet@...]

Doug- since I have a 83 model coach- is this low sulfur diesel going to
affect my engine?

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[Doug Engel]

Sounds like a plan. I'm getting some technical data from this new supplier
today. If it looks like anything new and different, I'll post some of the info.
Happy Trails, Doug

Rob Robinson wrote: I hear ya Doug. I always
fill up at Flying J and when I checked their site
last there was only about three dozen stations that had ULSD. That will all
change pretty quick I think so I'm going to stock up on some ATF this week.

On 26/10/06, Doug Engel wrote:
>
> Rob, Thanks for the input. The ATF will help with lubricity, but I don't
> know that it alone will compensate for the new diesel formula. If that's
> your plan, put it in now, becasue you're already running ULSD, it was a
> federally mandated change that took effect August 1st.
> Doug
>
> Rob Robinson > wrote:
> When I start to use that Ultra Low Sulphur I'm throwing in ATF with each
> fillup. I think someone said that two quarts per 300 gallons of fuel
> should
> do it.
>
> On 26/10/06, doug_ngl > wrote:
> >
> > Howdy again, Thanks for the help with my locked safe issue. Now I know
> > you just stand back and throw 450.00 at it and it will open.
> > Now on to my next question/topic. I own and operate a gas
> > station/tire store in Gunnison Colorado and have been talking to
> > various fuel suppliers and addative distributors about ultra low
> > sulphur diesel and winterizing this fuel. Most are saying that due to
> > the differences in the chemical makeup, getting this fuel to reach a
> > CFPP lower than -25 to -30F is going to be a problem (at lesat in
> > Gunnison it will be). Availibility of #1 diesel to thin it is supposed
> > to be a problem this winter as well, not to mention that this approach
> > apparently no longer has the same favorable effect that it used to.
> > So today while talking to a new rep, he mentioned the low lubricity
> > of the ULSD and the problems older diesel engines, Cats were noted,
> > have running this stuff. He noted injector pump failure specifically.
> > Anyone have any input or experience they can share? Thanks gang, Doug
> > Engel in Gunnison, Co. '81 FC35SB
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
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>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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