Using Generator As Backup For House Power

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

For all those interested though, ensure that the correct size of wire is used at
all times, too small a wire can lead to electrical fires, which can be stubborn
to put out.
There are all different types of wire with different class/heat ratings, check
the electrical code book to make sure that the wire is adequate.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada


----- Original Message ----
From: John
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:06:51 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Using Generator As Backup For House Power













Eric,



Check out these two pages on my web site;



http://www.pbase. com/iamflagman/ image/41069743



http://www.pbase. com/iamflagman/ image/50203372



Before anybody jumps the gun on the orange wire that I used, from the

breaker box, to the 50 amp plug, the wire is ROMEX SIMpull 10/3 with

ground which according to my electrician, is good for short runs like

this in dry locations, it does not get hot when used to power my shop

and sections of the rental property electrical system. the breaker

box is just there for added security, as the power going to it is

tapped off of the breaker box in the generator compartment.



"REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11, 2001"

John Finn

'82 35FCRB

BLUEBIRD WANDERLODGE

TO VISIT THE "FINN'S INN EXPRESS" REMODELING ADVENTURE

GO TO;

http://www.pbase. com/image/ 24977457

HOPKINS, SOUTH CAROLINA



//////////// ///////// ///////// ///////// ///////// ////////



--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Eric Johnson"

wrote:

>

> Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other areas of

the country so I brought

> the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we have a

problem. Then I got to

> thinking about using the generator to provide power to the home so

we could have heat and

> lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way to

make the connection so

> you get maximum use of the generator capacity?

>

> Regards, Eric in San Antonio

> 84FC35SBWL2

>














<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->







__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

AND don't get caught, could be a big fine.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada


----- Original Message ----
From: Chuck Wheeler
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:20:09 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power













Eric,



I added a 50 and 30 amp plugs to the Bird that are used to power friend's

trailers when we are camping. I added a Generator Transfer Switch to the

house and can plug it into the coach to power the house. It will run the

heat pump if nothing else except lights are on, we can cook and have hot

water if the heat is off. (Our genset has a new 15KW back end on it.)

Takes a little planning but it works. We have rental houses, I made a cable

to back feed through the electric dryer plug when the power is off so I

could work on them. Main breaker HAS to be off!!! Don't do this unless you

are very comfortable with electricity. I brought the Bird home for the

current Fort Worth storm but it wasn't needed.



- Chuck Wheeler -

82 FC 31 SB

Fort Worth, TX





_____



From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:06 AM

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power



Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other areas of the

country so I brought

the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we have a problem.

Then I got to

thinking about using the generator to provide power to the home so we could

have heat and

lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way to make the

connection so

you get maximum use of the generator capacity?



Regards, Eric in San Antonio

84FC35SBWL2



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]














<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->







__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Howard O. Truitt]

Chet,
You could throw the main breaker and seperate your house from the power company.
But the correct way is with the automatic shut off. Folks forget proper
procedures and others get killed. Lawyers love these kinds of cases.
Protect yourself and protect others do it correctly..
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

----- Original Message -----
From: chet geist
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power


Ralph,

I'm not an electrician, but in an emergency situation couldn't Eric just
turn off the main disconnect on the outside of his house and then run
extension cords? This should prevent sending power down the grid.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph L. Fullenwider
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:55 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power

Eric:

Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to switch out the
power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install a buddy plug
on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long enough to run from
the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto transfer switch.
The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the default power is
from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to keep from
feeding
power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry someone working
on
the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid from feeding
back into your genset.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)
84FC35
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth. Check with
your power company, they should have the info you need.

At 03:05 PM 1/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other areas of the
>country so I brought
>the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we have a
>problem. Then I got to
>thinking about using the generator to provide power to the home so we
>could have heat and
>lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way to make
>the connection so
>you get maximum use of the generator capacity?
>
>Regards, Eric in San Antonio
>84FC35SBWL2
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






------------------------------------------------------------------------------


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Suter]

As Bill suspects, the 400 Amp transfer switch size requirement is/was because
the code requires the transfer switch to equal or exceed the larger of either
the main panel size or the generator size. In my case, the main panel was 400
amp and the generator was 25KW (100amp at 240volts).

Additionally, in the event of fire, the fire department typically wants to
easily disconnect power so their folks aren't pouring water on electrically
"hot" wires. Therefore, before considering any generator and/or electrical
modifications to your property, check for the latest codes; especially new
maximum distances from the meter to the main disconnect(s) (if not co-located at
the meter); how remote disconnects/transfer switches must be "labeled" for the
fire department; and possible reflective tape marking for location "in the
dark."

Last, don't forget to advise your homeowner's insurance company if you add a
generator.

John


Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:

I do not know how the figure of a 400 amp transfer switch was determined, but
here you would require at least the size of the mains coming into the house, or
the size of the generator, whichever is greater. (As John said, it must have
both legs AND the neutral, this is so that no unbalance from the two legs is fed
back either)
Also an automatic transfer switch is not required, but a transfer switch whether
it be auto or manual is.
The transfer switch is two fold as well, first and foremost it is to stop
electrocuting the lineman who is trying to repair the circuit, but second to
pick up a long length of line, transformers as well as other loads, you could do
great harm to your generator/engine.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

----- Original Message ----
From: John Suter
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:28:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Using Generator As Backup For House Power

Lest anyone needs to hear it one more time, a manual or automatic transfer
switch WHICH LIFTS BOTH LEGS AND THE NEUTRAL, must be used to comply with many
codes passed since the recent hurricanes.

Generally, backfeeding the house through a "dryer" plug with just the "panel
disconnected, " does not comply, as that method normally does not also
disconnect the panel neutral from the utility neutral.

The penalty for being caught feeding any house circuit (versus feeding just an
extension cord) other than through an "approved transfer switch" in Florida
jurisdictions where the latest code has been adopted, is, the utility company
will "pull" the meter. The re-application takes up to 6 months and is for
INITIAL electrical service, which means; accompanied by plans signed-off by an
engineer/licensed electrician certifying the house/business wiring meets all
current electrical codes.

Learned these goodies from the inspectors in 2005 when I added a house generator
to replace the past "tried and true" Bird methods.

I also stopped complaining about the outrageous cost of a 400 Amp transfer
switch when I got the estimate to bring the 6-year-old house up to current
electrical codes.

John Suter

Currently Birdless

>

> Eric:

>

> Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to switch

out the

> power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install a

buddy plug

> on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long enough to

run from

> the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto transfer

switch.

> The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the default

power is

> from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to keep

from

> feeding

> power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry someone

working

> on

> the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid from

feeding

> back into your genset.

>

> Safe travels,

>

> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)

> 84FC35

> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

>

> This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth.

Check with

> your power company, they should have the info you need.

> _._,_.___

Messages in this topic (9)



Reply (via web post)
|

Start a new topic





Messages
| Files
| Photos
| Links
| Database
| Polls

| Calendar




Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)

Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to
Traditional

Visit Your Group
|

Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use |

Unsubscribe





Recent Activity

12

New Members

6

New Photos

Visit Your Group


SPONSORED LINKS

Automotive advertising
Automotive lifts
Recreational vehicle dealer
Blue bird house
Recreational vehicle rental



Sitebuilder

Over 380 Templates

Build and custo-

mize your web site


Y! Toolbar

Get it Free!

easy 1-click access

to your groups.

Yahoo! Groups

Start a group

in 3 easy steps.

Connect with others.

.

<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






---------------------------------
Bored stiff? Loosen up...
Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Bob, I wonder how the grid deals with the residential solar gen
stations homeowners set up?? Could your troybuilt scenario appear
here also? In fear of a $500. transfer switch , I stay out in the
motorhome for the short period of time lights and services are off.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomoland

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
wrote:
>
> Absolutely, I did this for several years with a
> small 3KW generator on a Troy Built Tractor, two
> male plugs on an extension cord. Electricity
> entered the outlet, through the circuit breaker,
> though another circuit breaker to the furnace motor
> an TV. THEN I said what if someone accidentally
> throw the main? Voltage would go through the box
> through the street transformer building up to a
> high voltage. A repairman could be electrocuted.
> NOT ME, NOT ANYMORE, SOMEONE COULD DIE!! I did
> this 20 years ago and principals of electricity
> don't change in time. The only safe way is the
> right way, use a line transfer switch/relay.
>
> bob janes, greenville, sc
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ralph,
> >
> > I'm not an electrician, but in an emergency situation couldn't
Eric
> just
> > turn off the main disconnect on the outside of his house and then
> run
> > extension cords? This should prevent sending power down the grid.
> >
> > Chet Geist
> > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph L.
> Fullenwider
> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:55 AM
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For
> House Power
> >
> >
> > Eric:
> >
> > Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to
switch
> out the
> > power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install a
> buddy plug
> > on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long enough
to
> run from
> > the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto
transfer
> switch.
> > The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the
default
> power is
> > from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to keep
> from
> > feeding
> > power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry
someone
> working
> > on
> > the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid
from
> feeding
> > back into your genset.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)
> > 84FC35
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth.
> Check with
> > your power company, they should have the info you need.
> >
> > At 03:05 PM 1/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other
areas
> of the
> > >country so I brought
> > >the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we
> have a
> > >problem. Then I got to
> > >thinking about using the generator to provide power to the
home
> so we
> > >could have heat and
> > >lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way
to
> make
> > >the connection so
> > >you get maximum use of the generator capacity?
> > >
> > >Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> > >84FC35SBWL2
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Johnny M Slone]

Hey to all:

A point to always remember is that the local power company's
GENERATOR IS BIGGER THAN YOUR GENERATOR. If at any time your
generator tries to butt heads with theirs, you will pay dearly. Over
the years I have seen the results of situations similiar to this.

The power companys go to great lengths to protect their linemen from
unwanted voltage during disasters. They have cut out locations or cut
the wires to isolate areas that they are working on. Also they ground
the phase wires close to the area they are working. The theory is
that electricity will take the path of the least restistance. The
lead people also drive or walk the area looking for dangers to the
linemen.

Cheapest and easiest way to use your bus genny is to run an extension
cord to whatever you want to power.

John Slone
Pikeville, Ky
84 PT35

[one_dusty_hoot]

Totally solar don't worry about the grid.
Partially solar,or solar emergency would use
a transfer switch. Any small AC generator
could do damage to the inverters in a solar
system.

Having natural gas, the sweetest arrangement
would be a natural gas generator that auto
fires when a no voltage situation occurs at the
house. Compact and quiet, off the shelf buy.

The longest we have been without AC because of
ice breaking off tree limbs has been 6 days.
Can't see the expense for such a short time.

bob janes, greenville, sc


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Bob, I wonder how the grid deals with the residential solar gen
> stations homeowners set up?? Could your troybuilt scenario appear
> here also? In fear of a $500. transfer switch , I stay out in the
> motorhome for the short period of time lights and services are off.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomoland
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "one_dusty_hoot"
> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely, I did this for several years with a
> > small 3KW generator on a Troy Built Tractor, two
> > male plugs on an extension cord. Electricity
> > entered the outlet, through the circuit breaker,
> > though another circuit breaker to the furnace motor
> > an TV. THEN I said what if someone accidentally
> > throw the main? Voltage would go through the box
> > through the street transformer building up to a
> > high voltage. A repairman could be electrocuted.
> > NOT ME, NOT ANYMORE, SOMEONE COULD DIE!! I did
> > this 20 years ago and principals of electricity
> > don't change in time. The only safe way is the
> > right way, use a line transfer switch/relay.
> >
> > bob janes, greenville, sc
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "chet geist"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ralph,
> > >
> > > I'm not an electrician, but in an emergency situation couldn't
> Eric
> > just
> > > turn off the main disconnect on the outside of his house and
then
> > run
> > > extension cords? This should prevent sending power down the
grid.
> > >
> > > Chet Geist
> > > 1981 FC33, Austin, Texas
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph L.
> > Fullenwider
> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:55 AM
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For
> > House Power
> > >
> > >
> > > Eric:
> > >
> > > Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to
> switch
> > out the
> > > power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install
a
> > buddy plug
> > > on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long
enough
> to
> > run from
> > > the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto
> transfer
> > switch.
> > > The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the
> default
> > power is
> > > from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to
keep
> > from
> > > feeding
> > > power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry
> someone
> > working
> > > on
> > > the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid
> from
> > feeding
> > > back into your genset.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)
> > > 84FC35
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth.
> > Check with
> > > your power company, they should have the info you need.
> > >
> > > At 03:05 PM 1/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other
> areas
> > of the
> > > >country so I brought
> > > >the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we
> > have a
> > > >problem. Then I got to
> > > >thinking about using the generator to provide power to the
> home
> > so we
> > > >could have heat and
> > > >lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best
way
> to
> > make
> > > >the connection so
> > > >you get maximum use of the generator capacity?
> > > >
> > > >Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> > > >84FC35SBWL2
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Howard:
The key here is it must be a transfer switch, not necessarily "automatic".
Automatic is nice, easy as well, but a manual is a lot cheaper, and you cannot
go wrong, it is either main power or generator power - not both.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada


----- Original Message ----
From: Howard O. Truitt To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:27:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power













Chet,

You could throw the main breaker and seperate your house from the power company.
But the correct way is with the automatic shut off. Folks forget proper
procedures and others get killed. Lawyers love these kinds of cases.

Protect yourself and protect others do it correctly..

Howard Truitt

Camilla, Ga.

86 PT40



----- Original Message -----

From: chet geist

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:49 AM

Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power



Ralph,



I'm not an electrician, but in an emergency situation couldn't Eric just

turn off the main disconnect on the outside of his house and then run

extension cords? This should prevent sending power down the grid.



Chet Geist

1981 FC33, Austin, Texas



-----Original Message-----

From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Ralph L. Fullenwider

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:55 AM

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power



Eric:



Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to switch out the

power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install a buddy plug

on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long enough to run from

the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto transfer switch.

The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the default power is

from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to keep from

feeding

power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry someone working

on

the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid from feeding

back into your genset.



Safe travels,



Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)

84FC35

Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma



This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth. Check with

your power company, they should have the info you need.



At 03:05 PM 1/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other areas of the

>country so I brought

>the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we have a

>problem. Then I got to

>thinking about using the generator to provide power to the home so we

>could have heat and

>lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way to make

>the connection so

>you get maximum use of the generator capacity?

>

>Regards, Eric in San Antonio

>84FC35SBWL2

>

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -



No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG Free Edition.

Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]














<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->







__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Greg:
With a proper setup, which is very costly to boot, you can have an alternative
energy system feeding back into the grid.(yes getting paid for it) If the grid
were to lose power, you would be immediately disconnected from the system, thus
having the power for yourself. There are many types of systems, solar, wind,
hydro and a mixture of them all.
The biggest thing though, is it financially viable to have a system. And does
the electric company buy into those programs everywhere. In BC now, BC Hydro is
not going to construct any new facilities, it will all come through the
Independent Power Producers, which we are one of, producing 960,000,000watts, or
960 MW per hour. About 1/2 hour up the road from us, a group of fellows are
putting a proposal together to build a 5MW plant, and what I understand it is a
viable proposition.


Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Gregory OConnor"

wrote:

>

> Bob, I wonder how the grid deals with the residential solar gen

> stations homeowners set up?? Could your troybuilt scenario appear

> here also? In fear of a $500. transfer switch , I stay out in the

> motorhome for the short period of time lights and services are off.

>

> GregoryO'Connor

> 94ptRomoland

>

> > >

> >

>














<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->







__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Howard O. Truitt]

We pay dearly for a used or new bird $20,000 to $800,000. Then $450.00 for
tires, $750.00 for a tank of fuel and thousands for other upgrades and quibble
over the cost of a transfer switch.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.
86 PT40

----- Original Message -----
From: Wilhelmus Schreurs
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power


Howard:
The key here is it must be a transfer switch, not necessarily "automatic".
Automatic is nice, easy as well, but a manual is a lot cheaper, and you cannot
go wrong, it is either main power or generator power - not both.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

----- Original Message ----
From: Howard O. Truitt To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 3:27:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power

Chet,

You could throw the main breaker and seperate your house from the power
company. But the correct way is with the automatic shut off. Folks forget proper
procedures and others get killed. Lawyers love these kinds of cases.

Protect yourself and protect others do it correctly..

Howard Truitt

Camilla, Ga.

86 PT40

----- Original Message -----

From: chet geist

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:49 AM

Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power

Ralph,

I'm not an electrician, but in an emergency situation couldn't Eric just

turn off the main disconnect on the outside of his house and then run

extension cords? This should prevent sending power down the grid.

Chet Geist

1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----

From: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Ralph L. Fullenwider

Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:55 AM

To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Using Generator As Backup For House Power

Eric:

Yes it is doable. You will need an auto transfer switch to switch out the

power grid in coming from your utility company. Then install a buddy plug

on your coach wired 220vac 50 amp and have a cable long enough to run from

the coach to the house to another plug wired to the auto transfer switch.

The transfer switch control would need to be wired so the default power is

from the power grid. Reason for the transfer switch is to keep from

feeding

power into the electrical grid from your utility and fry someone working

on

the down power lines. And of course, to keep the power grid from feeding

back into your genset.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider ( iced in, in Oklahoma)

84FC35

Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma

This is done with back up gen sets at hospitals and so forth. Check with

your power company, they should have the info you need.

At 03:05 PM 1/15/2007 +0000, you wrote:

>Ice storms may bring loss of power to our home as in other areas of the

>country so I brought

>the coach to the house with the idea of moving into it if we have a

>problem. Then I got to

>thinking about using the generator to provide power to the home so we

>could have heat and

>lights. Has anyone else done this? What would be the best way to make

>the connection so

>you get maximum use of the generator capacity?

>

>Regards, Eric in San Antonio

>84FC35SBWL2

>

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

No virus found in this incoming message.

Checked by AVG Free Edition.

Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<!--

#ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}
#ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99%
arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;}
#ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}
#ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}
#ygrp-text{
font-family:Georgia;
}
#ygrp-text p{
margin:0 0 1em 0;
}
#ygrp-tpmsgs{
font-family:Arial;
clear:both;
}
#ygrp-vitnav{
padding-top:10px;
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-vitnav a{
padding:0 1px;
}
#ygrp-actbar{
clear:both;
margin:25px 0;
white-space:nowrap;
color:#666;
text-align:right;
}
#ygrp-actbar .left{
float:left;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.bld{font-weight:bold;}
#ygrp-grft{
font-family:Verdana;
font-size:77%;
padding:15px 0;
}
#ygrp-ft{
font-family:verdana;
font-size:77%;
border-top:1px solid #666;
padding:5px 0;
}
#ygrp-mlmsg #logo{
padding-bottom:10px;
}

#ygrp-vital{
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:2px 0 8px 8px;
}
#ygrp-vital #vithd{
font-size:77%;
font-family:Verdana;
font-weight:bold;
color:#333;
text-transform:uppercase;
}
#ygrp-vital ul{
padding:0;
margin:2px 0;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li{
list-style-type:none;
clear:both;
border:1px solid #e0ecee;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .ct{
font-weight:bold;
color:#ff7900;
float:right;
width:2em;
text-align:right;
padding-right:.5em;
}
#ygrp-vital ul li .cat{
font-weight:bold;
}
#ygrp-vital a {
text-decoration:none;
}

#ygrp-vital a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}

#ygrp-sponsor #hd{
color:#999;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov{
padding:6px 13px;
background-color:#e0ecee;
margin-bottom:20px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{
padding:0 0 0 8px;
margin:0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li{
list-style-type:square;
padding:6px 0;
font-size:77%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{
text-decoration:none;
font-size:130%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor #nc {
background-color:#eee;
margin-bottom:20px;
padding:0 8px;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad{
padding:8px 0;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{
font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold;
color:#628c2a;
font-size:100%;
line-height:122%;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a{
text-decoration:none;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{
text-decoration:underline;
}
#ygrp-sponsor .ad p{
margin:0;
}
o {font-size:0;}
.MsoNormal {
margin:0 0 0 0;
}
#ygrp-text tt{
font-size:120%;
}
blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;}
.replbq {margin:4;}
-->

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






------------------------------------------------------------------------------


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.8/621 - Release Date: 1/9/2007


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]