Freeze protection heaters

[ernieekberg@...>]

Alex- if these is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted
together. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the
bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak.
Can the wire be spliced back?
Any help appreciate.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35RB

ernieekberg@... wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and
wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug
those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could
possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding
my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Ernie & Group,

My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
heat tapes plugged in anymore.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@... wrote:

> These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Masterson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> cabinets. See <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html
> <http://www.electricsuppliesonline.com/pelhe.html>> for
> a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> 120V model is used in my coach.
>
> For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@...
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
>
> > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > like a charm.
> > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > hope
> >
>
>
>
>

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[warren madson]

Troy would like to talk to you about your newell,
could you send your email or phone #?
madson95atyahoodotcom
8035fcsb calmar ia [hot here -9 should be up to zero
by noon]
--- ernieekberg@... wrote:

> Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look
> like the size that I could use. Ernie-83PT40 in
> Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Tikalsky
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection
> heaters
>
>
> Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used
> in my coach.
>
>
>
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UI...name=\
electric
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell
> Waconia, MN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernest Ekberg
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection
> heaters
>
> While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was
> doing a check on my
> heaters. The kitchen heater was running but
> putting out no heat. I
> took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in
> that compartment. Works
> like a charm.
> My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan
> was barely moving.
> Don't know why- these things are just 24 years
> old. Took the partition
> out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater
> to that area.
> Perhaps this was the problem I was having last
> year. Time to look for
> new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small,
> compact heaters like
> came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy,
> for a short time, I
> hope
>
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> removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>




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[Troy Tikalsky]

They work surprisingly well and draw about 12 amps. There are 2 inside the
coach and 1 in the bay where the water tanks and lines are located. The fan is
wide and slow so they are very quiet. A single heater in the storage bay area
2'x4'x8.5' kept the water lines and tanks from freezing when it got below zero a
few weeks ago.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: ernieekberg@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look like the size that I could
use. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.


http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UI...name=\
electric

Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN

----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Ekberg
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope

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[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Alex:
If you are talking about the element themselves, no, they cannot be wired back
together. If you cut the wire to the element that is ok to splice back
together.



Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




----- Original Message ----
From: "ernieekberg@..."
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 10:01:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Alex- if these is only 1 wire, I don't know why that can't be just wire nutted
together. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Smith
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

There are 2 of those pipe wire heaters which plug into 110v outlet under the
bath vanity in my Bird. I had to cut one wire to repair a copper tubing leak.
Can the wire be spliced back?
Any help appreciate.
Alex Smith
Tallahassee
82FC35RB

ernieekberg@ peoplepc. com wrote: terry- is that the light blue color plugs and
wires that run who knows where? Both my birds had those and I was afraid to plug
those in because, 1- didn't know if they worked, 2- did previous owners cut
those somewhere, and 3- after 24 years- deterioration of those wires could
possibly start a fire. So- I have removed most of those wires when I was adding
my pex tubing last summer. Ernie-83PT40 in -4 Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Neal
To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Ernie & Group,

My 82 PT doesn't have any of the heaters that you describe. Wish that
it did. All I have are some old Frostex heat tapes. Plugged one in a
while back & it immediately burned the plug off the end of the tape. No
heat tapes plugged in anymore.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34

ernieekberg@ peoplepc. com wrote:

> These are the freeze protection heaters that are located in the hot
> water tank area, under the kitchen sink, and in the fresh water
> compartment. Since my coach is old, i was asking if anyone repleced
> these with newer more efficient models. These are electric.
> Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pete Masterson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> I'm not sure what heaters you're wanting... the newer coaches use
> "Perfectoe" electric heaters in the bathroom and under the kitchen
> cabinets. See <http://www.electric suppliesonline. com/pelhe. html
> <http://www.electric suppliesonline. com/pelhe. html>> for
> a description. These are available in 120 or 208/240V models. The
> 120V model is used in my coach.
>
> For the hot-water radiator-type heat, (hydronic heating system) the
> fans used are simple "pancake" fans available in 120V and 12V ratings
> at places like Radio Shack. (Check to see what voltage is used on the
> one you're replacing.) If the radiators aren't getting hot, then you
> may have a valve set wrong, a blocked water line, or another problem.
> Perhaps someone with a closer aged coach can make some suggestions.
>
> Pete Masterson
> aeonix1@mac. com
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
> El Sobrante, CA
>
> On Feb 1, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Ernest Ekberg wrote:
>
> > While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
> > heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
> > took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
> > like a charm.
> > My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
> > Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
> > out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> > Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
> > new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
> > came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
> > hope
> >
>
>
>
>

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[ernieekberg@...>]

Thanks, Troy- I'll order 3 of them. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming with 24 year old
heaters
----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters


They work surprisingly well and draw about 12 amps. There are 2 inside the
coach and 1 in the bay where the water tanks and lines are located. The fan is
wide and slow so they are very quiet. A single heater in the storage bay area
2'x4'x8.5' kept the water lines and tanks from freezing when it got below zero a
few weeks ago.

Troy

----- Original Message -----
From: ernieekberg@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look like the size that I could
use. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: Troy Tikalsky
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.


http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UI...name=\
electric

Troy Tikalsky
1986 Newell
Waconia, MN

----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Ekberg
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters

While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check on my
heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat. I
took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment. Works
like a charm.
My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely moving.
Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the partition
out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look for
new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters like
came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short time, I
hope

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[hsaddock]

I am also looking to replace my old freeze heaters but I'm not sure
these units are right for those with coaches without a true 220V
circuit in the coach. It appears from the information on the link
below that the fan in the unit is 115VAC BUT the heating elements are
220VAC. That would mean that they could not be plugged into or wired
into the standard wiring in my coach and a special 220V circuit would
need to be added to my circuit breaker box and then they would only
work when the coach was plugged into a true 220V 50amp circuit. The
price is excellent but I believe 115V units would be a better choice -
unless your coach already has 220V heater circuits wired and you
always plug into 220V 50amp circuits when you plan on needing the
heaters.
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Thanks, Troy- I'll order 3 of them. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming with 24
year old heaters
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Tikalsky
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
>
> They work surprisingly well and draw about 12 amps. There are 2
inside the coach and 1 in the bay where the water tanks and lines are
located. The fan is wide and slow so they are very quiet. A single
heater in the storage bay area 2'x4'x8.5' kept the water lines and
tanks from freezing when it got below zero a few weeks ago.
>
> Troy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ernieekberg@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look like the size
that I could use. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Tikalsky
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.
>
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?
UID=2007020123015286&item=16-1329&catname=electric
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell
> Waconia, MN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernest Ekberg
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check
on my
> heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat.
I
> took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment.
Works
> like a charm.
> My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely
moving.
> Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the
partition
> out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look
for
> new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters
like
> came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short
time, I
> hope
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't know if troy
has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on the website that you can
put 2 wires together. Don't know what that means, but they will be delivered
next week. i'll report what happens with these units. The price cannot be beat,
however. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: hsaddock
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters


I am also looking to replace my old freeze heaters but I'm not sure
these units are right for those with coaches without a true 220V
circuit in the coach. It appears from the information on the link
below that the fan in the unit is 115VAC BUT the heating elements are
220VAC. That would mean that they could not be plugged into or wired
into the standard wiring in my coach and a special 220V circuit would
need to be added to my circuit breaker box and then they would only
work when the coach was plugged into a true 220V 50amp circuit. The
price is excellent but I believe 115V units would be a better choice -
unless your coach already has 220V heater circuits wired and you
always plug into 220V 50amp circuits when you plan on needing the
heaters.
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Thanks, Troy- I'll order 3 of them. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming with 24
year old heaters
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Tikalsky
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
>
> They work surprisingly well and draw about 12 amps. There are 2
inside the coach and 1 in the bay where the water tanks and lines are
located. The fan is wide and slow so they are very quiet. A single
heater in the storage bay area 2'x4'x8.5' kept the water lines and
tanks from freezing when it got below zero a few weeks ago.
>
> Troy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ernieekberg@...
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Try- are those heaters very efficient? They look like the size
that I could use. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Tikalsky
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> Surplus Center has units similar to the ones used in my coach.
>
> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?
UID=2007020123015286&item=16-1329&catname=electric
>
> Troy Tikalsky
> 1986 Newell
> Waconia, MN
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernest Ekberg
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Freeze protection heaters
>
> While I was stopped due to the bad weather, I was doing a check
on my
> heaters. The kitchen heater was running but putting out no heat.
I
> took one of Brenda's hair dryers and put it in that compartment.
Works
> like a charm.
> My rear heater by the hot water heater, the fan was barely
moving.
> Don't know why- these things are just 24 years old. Took the
partition
> out of that compartment and added a ceramic heater to that area.
> Perhaps this was the problem I was having last year. Time to look
for
> new heaters. Anyone know where we can find small, compact heaters
like
> came in our coaches? Ernie-83PT40 in Buffalo, Wy, for a short
time, I
> hope
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>
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[bluebirdsp36]

Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9"
long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get very
warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them on
a Q-bus I'm building.

Paul C
Virginia
90 SP-36
95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't
know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on
the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that
means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what happens
with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-83PT40 in
Wyoming

>

[ernieekberg@...>]

Paul, I like the fact that these units are close to the dimensions of my old
relics. Hope they do the trick. Ernie-83PT40 in Wyoming
----- Original Message -----
From: bluebirdsp36
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:11 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Freeze protection heaters


Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9"
long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get very
warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them on
a Q-bus I'm building.

Paul C
Virginia
90 SP-36
95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't
know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on
the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that
means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what happens
with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-83PT40 in
Wyoming

>





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[hsaddock]

Ernie - using Paul's suggestion, you should get approximately half
the heat out of the unit compared to if it was run on its design
voltage of 220V. From a heat output perspective, probably somewhere
around a little less than 2/3rds the heat output of a heater designed
for 115v 15 amp circuit. This is a somewhat educated WAG - if we
knew the amperage they would draw, we could calculate this more
closely. Other issue - if you study the pictures on the web site
("more photos"), you will notice that the heaters are not mounted in
any type of enclosure and as such they are not suitable (not safe due
to exposed electrical connections, lack of thermal protection from
the heating elements to adjacent materials, motor hanging out in
space, etc) for directly mounting behind a cabinet, under a bed, etc -
they MUST be mounted in some kind of metal enclosure and then the
enclosure with the heaters mounted inside mounted where you want
them. Also, there is no thermostat on these units, you will need to
wire in some kind of thermostat either in/on the enclosure you build
for them or a separate thermostat some where in the area you are
using them to to heat, otherwise they will just keep heating until
you disconnect them. Lastly, you may want to put an on/off switch
some where near where they are located. Still a great price for what
they are - but they are not a "drop in"
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bluebirdsp36"
wrote:
>
> Ernie, that heater has 2 - 1000 w elements which is a lot for a 9"
> long unit. Try wiring the elements for 120 volts. You should get
very
> warm air. Still cheap even using more units. I'm going to try them
on
> a Q-bus I'm building.
>
> Paul C
> Virginia
> 90 SP-36
> 95 Q-bus ( future "Baby Bird")
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >
> > Harry- hope I didn't make a mistake when i ordered these. I don't
> know if troy has a dedicated 220v circuit on his Newell. It says on
> the website that you can put 2 wires together. Don't know what that
> means, but they will be delivered next week. i'll report what
happens
> with these units. The price cannot be beat, however. Ernie-83PT40
in
> Wyoming
>
> >
>