update power problem observations

[Robert & Teri Rahn]

okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big
wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black
one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the
other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with
all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where
the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other
50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that
holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip
the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing
something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are
reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.
should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or
50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
was there. Im so confused.
Robert Rahn
88 pt 40
Kalispell, Mt.

[PRWillms@...]

NO do not pull that switch apart. The guages you just talked about would not
have volts on them if the rotor switch is bad. Now I also have very low or no
amps unless I am using a 110v item. remember your water heater is on one leg and
the insta hot or eng block heater or 110v lighting will be on the other. BEFORE
disassembly of any item turn on all of the 110v items to verify if the side has
no draw. ALSO start your GEN and put it online. Again check all the 110v to see
if there is a change.

Paul Williams 88XXV 8V92
In South Lake Tahoe
-----Original Message-----
From: chaunceyboyblu@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations

okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big
wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black
one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the
other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with
all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where
the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other
50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that
holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip
the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing
something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are
reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.
should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or
50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
was there. Im so confused.
Robert Rahn
88 pt 40
Kalispell, Mt.


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[Curt Sprenger]

Robert,

If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good to go
in the circuit breaker panel.

Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers
independently...tuning off the breakers should turn off those items
connected to it...all seems good.

Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the coach
load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg would be
zero while the other has a power demand on it.

The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are
receiving power.

Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as well.

Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from others
perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.

My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore cord, start
the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the breakers in
the 110V control panel, and see what happens.

Good luck.

Curt Sprenger
198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing
Anaheim Hills, CA










Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:

> okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big
> wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black
> one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the
> other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with
> all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
> for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where
> the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
> bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other
> 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that
> holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
> one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip
> the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing
> something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are
> reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
> reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.
> should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or
> 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
> was there. Im so confused.
> Robert Rahn
> 88 pt 40
> Kalispell, Mt.
>
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Robert:
Curt has a very good point here. I would not take a part anything else just
yet. If you have power at the 50 amp breaker box, then everything up to there
should be okay.
Take a look at the circuit breaker box and plug in a known load like a 1500 watt
heater and then check the ammeter.


Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada


----- Original Message ----
From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 10:03:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations













Robert,



If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good to go

in the circuit breaker panel.



Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers

independently. ..tuning off the breakers should turn off those items

connected to it...all seems good.



Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the coach

load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg would be

zero while the other has a power demand on it.



The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are

receiving power.



Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as well.



Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from others

perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.



My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore cord, start

the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the breakers in

the 110V control panel, and see what happens.



Good luck.



Curt Sprenger

198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing

Anaheim Hills, CA



Curt Sprenger

1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"

Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:



> okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big

> wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black

> one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the

> other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with

> all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights

> for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where

> the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white

> bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other

> 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that

> holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top

> one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip

> the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing

> something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are

> reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1

> reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.

> should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or

> 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem

> was there. Im so confused.

> Robert Rahn

> 88 pt 40

> Kalispell, Mt.

>

>














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[Richard Hayden]

I'm coming in late here. But what exactly is not working? Is the top switch
overhead switched on? (or maybe an 88 doesn't do it that way). Just some
thoughts I haven't seen mentioned.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA


----- Original Message -----
From: Curt Sprenger
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations


Robert,

If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good to go
in the circuit breaker panel.

Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers
independently...tuning off the breakers should turn off those items
connected to it...all seems good.

Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the coach
load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg would be
zero while the other has a power demand on it.

The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are
receiving power.

Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as well.

Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from others
perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.

My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore cord, start
the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the breakers in
the 110V control panel, and see what happens.

Good luck.

Curt Sprenger
198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing
Anaheim Hills, CA

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.

Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:

> okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big
> wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black
> one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the
> other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with
> all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
> for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where
> the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
> bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other
> 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that
> holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
> one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip
> the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing
> something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are
> reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
> reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.
> should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or
> 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
> was there. Im so confused.
> Robert Rahn
> 88 pt 40
> Kalispell, Mt.
>
>





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[Richard Hayden]

I guess that wasn't very clear - I do mean the 3 air/heat switches above the
drivers head. The top one should be for the front of the coach. Sorry about
that.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hayden
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations


I'm coming in late here. But what exactly is not working? Is the top switch
overhead switched on? (or maybe an 88 doesn't do it that way). Just some
thoughts I haven't seen mentioned.

Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Curt
Sprenger>
To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com :WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations

Robert,

If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good to go
in the circuit breaker panel.

Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers
independently...tuning off the breakers should turn off those items
connected to it...all seems good.

Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the coach
load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg would be
zero while the other has a power demand on it.

The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are
receiving power.

Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as well.

Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from others
perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.

My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore cord, start
the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the breakers in
the 110V control panel, and see what happens.

Good luck.

Curt Sprenger
198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing
Anaheim Hills, CA

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.

Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:

> okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four big
> wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a black
> one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all the
> other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side with
> all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
> for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place where
> the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
> bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the other
> 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing that
> holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
> one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I flip
> the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are doing
> something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage are
> reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
> reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found none.
> should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30 or
> 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
> was there. Im so confused.
> Robert Rahn
> 88 pt 40
> Kalispell, Mt.
>
>

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[thomas_sorrentino]

Robert,

I don't know if this could be it, but on our coach the bottom left
breaker in the panel is a GFI breaker. If it is tripped (which is not
always apparent, without cycling it) one of my legs will show nothing
on the front gages.

Tom Sorrentino
1987PT38
Bedford Hills, NY






--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hayden"
wrote:
>
> I guess that wasn't very clear - I do mean the 3 air/heat switches
above the drivers head. The top one should be for the front of the
coach. Sorry about that.
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Hayden
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om>
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations
>
>
> I'm coming in late here. But what exactly is not working? Is the
top switch overhead switched on? (or maybe an 88 doesn't do it that
way). Just some thoughts I haven't seen mentioned.
>
> Dick Hayden - '87 PT 38 - Lake Stevens, WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Curt
Sprenger>
> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com om> hoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] update power problem observations
>
> Robert,
>
> If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good
to go
> in the circuit breaker panel.
>
> Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers
> independently...tuning off the breakers should turn off those
items
> connected to it...all seems good.
>
> Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the
coach
> load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg
would be
> zero while the other has a power demand on it.
>
> The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are
> receiving power.
>
> Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as
well.
>
> Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from
others
> perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.
>
> My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore
cord, start
> the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the
breakers in
> the 110V control panel, and see what happens.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing
> Anaheim Hills, CA
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
> Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:
>
> > okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are
four big
> > wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a
black
> > one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with
all the
> > other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side
with
> > all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that
lights
> > for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place
where
> > the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or
white
> > bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the
other
> > 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic
thing that
> > holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the
top
> > one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I
flip
> > the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are
doing
> > something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac
voltage are
> > reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage
leg 1
> > reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found
none.
> > should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator
30 or
> > 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same
problem
> > was there. Im so confused.
> > Robert Rahn
> > 88 pt 40
> > Kalispell, Mt.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Robert, did you sell the coach yet? Curt may have stumbled on the
problem or a problem. 1- terms necessary to explain technical parts
like " little plastic thingy" reveal that we may be giving advice
that put you in danger. 2.- if you find a GFI receptical, someone may
have changed some electrical wiring in the coach. 50HzBill often
warns us that the coach is or is not grounded in a particular
way.?????? and the factory wire grounding must be maintained.
I would advise only flipping switches on and off and remember not to
touch anything conductive. The inverter and generator produce the
same type of deadly power that comes from Edison. Un plugging the bus
from land power and using the other power sources does not protect or
limit the risk of shock.
This is the situation where the hire of a good RV tech and not a
household electric tech would be a wise choice.


GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Curt Sprenger
wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> If I follow what you described and what you tested, you are good to
go
> in the circuit breaker panel.
>
> Removing the little plastic thing and flipping the breakers
> independently...tuning off the breakers should turn off those items
> connected to it...all seems good.
>
> Amperage registered on one leg and not the other...depends on the
coach
> load demand and how the coach is wired. Very possible one leg would
be
> zero while the other has a power demand on it.
>
> The reading of 110 & 120 volts in each leg tells me the legs are
> receiving power.
>
> Our '87 coach does not have GFIs and perhaps yours does not as well.
>
> Do not take the gen/shore switch apart until we hear more from
others
> perhaps more familiar with doing so and testing same.
>
> My only other suggestion at this time is to unplug the shore cord,
start
> the gen., be sure the switch is set to gen., reset all the breakers
in
> the 110V control panel, and see what happens.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 198 PT38 8V92 "MacAttach Racing
> Anaheim Hills, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt Sprenger
> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> Anaheim Hills, Calif.
>
>
>
> Robert & Teri Rahn wrote:
>
> > okay, first off, I am confused about electricity. There are four
big
> > wires a big red one that goes to one of the 50 amp breakers, a
black
> > one that goes to the other, a white that goes to the bar with all
the
> > other little white ones and a green that goes to the other side
with
> > all the bare copper ones. I checked with my test light that lights
> > for 110 and another light for 220, and when i touched the place
where
> > the red wire connects to the breaker and either the green or white
> > bar it reads 110. when i do the same with the black wire on the
other
> > 50 amp breaker the same happens. I took the little plastic thing
that
> > holds the two 50 amp breakers together off and when i flip the top
> > one the plugs that have lamps plugged into them go out, when I
flip
> > the other one the heater in the bathroom goes off. So both are
doing
> > something. Also, the gauges in the upper dash labeled ac voltage
are
> > reading:leg 1 120, leg 2 120. the gauges labeled ac amperage leg 1
> > reads zero and leg 2 reads 10. I looked for gfi plugs and found
none.
> > should I take the switch apart that I use to select genarator 30
or
> > 50 amp? I tried to work it with the genarator and the same problem
> > was there. Im so confused.
> > Robert Rahn
> > 88 pt 40
> > Kalispell, Mt.
> >
> >
>